Embracing Faith Amidst Prostate Cancer: A Journey with James Catron and Lessons on Healthcare Communication

1 00:00:00,461 --> 00:00:01,965 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Healthy Both of your Lies 2 00:00:02,004 --> 00:00:06,342 podcast with Dr William T Choctaw, md JD. Our mission is 3 00:00:06,363 --> 00:00:08,827 to empower you with the knowledge and equip you with the 4 00:00:08,827 --> 00:00:12,981 tools you'll need to thrive in all aspects of your life. Join 5 00:00:13,022 --> 00:00:16,931 us now as we discuss everything from nutrition and exercise to 6 00:00:16,972 --> 00:00:21,402 money management, personal growth and spiritual growth. Dr 7 00:00:21,422 --> 00:00:24,788 Choctaw will provide insightful advice on how to improve your 8 00:00:24,807 --> 00:00:27,952 physical, financial and spiritual health, as well as 9 00:00:27,972 --> 00:00:31,102 your emotional and mental well-being. So whether you're 10 00:00:31,121 --> 00:00:34,369 looking to get the latest in medical news, unlock financial 11 00:00:34,469 --> 00:00:38,579 opportunities or cultivate a more positive mindset, we've got 12 00:00:38,579 --> 00:00:41,746 you covered. Get ready to become the best version of 13 00:00:41,767 --> 00:00:46,845 yourself. So let's get started. Here's Dr William T Choctaw, md 14 00:00:47,186 --> 00:00:51,415 JD, with an interview already in progress with Mr James K Tron, 15 00:00:51,856 --> 00:00:53,000 a prostate cancer survivor. 16 00:00:53,621 --> 00:00:58,895 Speaker 2: He had 8.30am already and so in the nuclear testing I 17 00:00:58,895 --> 00:01:02,871 had to sit for four hours and not do anything. So I was 9 to 18 00:01:02,912 --> 00:01:06,462 12. When I came back at 12. They put me under a machine because 19 00:01:06,483 --> 00:01:11,250 the diet got into my blood and I was able to look at the future 20 00:01:11,310 --> 00:01:16,221 in terms of what my health would look like in the future. And 21 00:01:16,242 --> 00:01:20,829 the two things that stood out to me was first was, if I don't 22 00:01:20,870 --> 00:01:24,977 improve my posture, I have a little mild curve in my back, 23 00:01:25,957 --> 00:01:29,183 which is something I'm working on. And number two, I may have 24 00:01:29,284 --> 00:01:33,552 arthritis in both knees later on and that's probably doing some 25 00:01:33,593 --> 00:01:36,117 extensive running on the court. The thing like that is a 26 00:01:36,138 --> 00:01:39,046 part-time efficient, but other than that they weren't able to 27 00:01:39,087 --> 00:01:43,501 just shine anything else. So I was able to relate that and that 28 00:01:43,501 --> 00:01:48,331 happened actually a week before I had the actual removal of the 29 00:01:48,331 --> 00:01:54,109 prostate. So at first I kind of did beat myself up regarding 30 00:01:54,129 --> 00:01:58,358 the prostate side up, but then, after I went through the genetic 31 00:01:58,358 --> 00:02:00,605 testing and everything else, I'm like how can I beat myself 32 00:02:00,685 --> 00:02:03,742 up? I had no control over that Exactly. The only thing I can 33 00:02:03,762 --> 00:02:07,871 control is what I put in my mouth, what I drink, how much 34 00:02:07,932 --> 00:02:11,764 rest I get and what else I do other than that. Other than that 35 00:02:11,764 --> 00:02:14,562 , you're right, dr. I did not control the genetics that's in 36 00:02:14,602 --> 00:02:17,687 my family. That's something I have no control over. 37 00:02:18,861 --> 00:02:20,786 Speaker 3: One of the things that we try to also tell our 38 00:02:20,806 --> 00:02:25,724 patients is to control the control, votes, correct that 39 00:02:25,824 --> 00:02:28,292 things that you just mentioned. There are things that you do 40 00:02:28,331 --> 00:02:30,979 have to control over, but we don't worry about those things. 41 00:02:31,622 --> 00:02:33,949 We tend to worry about those things that we can't control. 42 00:02:34,681 --> 00:02:39,193 But there are things like other people you know, yeah, what they 43 00:02:39,193 --> 00:02:43,081 do and say we have no control over them, even our children. We 44 00:02:43,081 --> 00:02:46,669 may think as parents, we have control, but we really don't 45 00:02:46,871 --> 00:02:50,318 always like to say it's not important to be able to control 46 00:02:50,378 --> 00:02:53,960 your children, but you want to have influence over you. Exactly 47 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:57,451 , as long as you have influence, then you can at least have a 48 00:02:57,512 --> 00:03:03,706 dialogue or communication. But I've learned I think I've worked 49 00:03:03,706 --> 00:03:08,437 as a total total that the control is an illusion that we 50 00:03:08,477 --> 00:03:14,122 parents tell ourselves. But I can't decide ourselves. All we 51 00:03:14,141 --> 00:03:17,068 need to do is just go back and ask ourselves how much control 52 00:03:17,108 --> 00:03:22,584 did mom and dad really have us? Do Not as much? It's as if we 53 00:03:22,604 --> 00:03:23,425 can figure it out. 54 00:03:23,847 --> 00:03:26,944 Speaker 2: Yes, sir, I agree with that. Yes, you asked me in 55 00:03:26,985 --> 00:03:30,822 terms of how I had me, and we told my sons that I had it and 56 00:03:30,842 --> 00:03:33,587 that now is genetically linked with me, which means they have 57 00:03:33,608 --> 00:03:37,764 to get themselves tested. Okay, so that's the first thing I told 58 00:03:37,764 --> 00:03:41,667 them and that you know get yourself tested. Obviously, I 59 00:03:41,706 --> 00:03:45,043 can help you when it comes to that. So they all knew right 60 00:03:45,082 --> 00:03:48,989 away, as soon as I was diagnosed with it, that they have to now 61 00:03:50,350 --> 00:03:53,543 go get tested and monitor themselves. I didn't have that 62 00:03:53,582 --> 00:03:58,024 luxury because my dad passed away when I was 21 years old oh, 63 00:03:58,024 --> 00:04:02,268 I just turned 21. And at the time he I don't even think his 64 00:04:02,307 --> 00:04:05,515 physician even checked to see if he had prostate, because he had 65 00:04:05,515 --> 00:04:09,960 other issues that was going on with him. So that's why I didn't 66 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:14,828 . I wouldn't have known Unless he lived longer whether he had 67 00:04:14,848 --> 00:04:15,991 prostate problems or not. 68 00:04:17,889 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 3: So how has this affected you spiritually? 69 00:04:21,201 --> 00:04:24,028 Speaker 2: This, may, this journey believe it or not, dr 70 00:04:24,067 --> 00:04:29,547 Tachka has made me stronger. Good, my walk with Christ has 71 00:04:29,648 --> 00:04:32,916 always been strong, but for some reason I have grown stronger 72 00:04:32,997 --> 00:04:36,341 and stronger and stronger, I can tell you. When I first got 73 00:04:36,382 --> 00:04:40,803 diagnosed, I called my fraternity brothers and I told 74 00:04:40,824 --> 00:04:44,713 them you know, you can put this out right away that this is what 75 00:04:44,713 --> 00:04:48,209 I'm going through. I need their prayers. This is what I've been 76 00:04:48,209 --> 00:04:51,396 diagnosed with and I wouldn't share if anyone would contact me 77 00:04:51,396 --> 00:04:56,271 , which they did. And then I was able to tell my Sunday school 78 00:04:56,312 --> 00:04:59,338 class and pray for me right away about everything that was 79 00:04:59,358 --> 00:05:02,531 taking place, and I even told the pastor of my church and I 80 00:05:02,591 --> 00:05:05,086 shared with as many men as possible that this is what's 81 00:05:05,127 --> 00:05:09,827 going on with me. Will you please pray for me as I make 82 00:05:09,867 --> 00:05:13,677 this journey, that I decided to go, that God has put me in and 83 00:05:13,716 --> 00:05:16,572 he's put me in there for a reason, and I'm willing to share 84 00:05:16,572 --> 00:05:19,288 and I'm hoping to go with everybody. So this made me open 85 00:05:19,369 --> 00:05:24,062 up more to my faith and walk more by faith and not by sight, 86 00:05:24,324 --> 00:05:27,492 but also realize that God gave me what grace, because it's 87 00:05:27,552 --> 00:05:31,411 unbearative favor, and so he gave me favor. Through all of 88 00:05:31,473 --> 00:05:36,857 this I was able to pick the right urologist and everything. 89 00:05:37,204 --> 00:05:41,197 They just end up being what I felt a really good spiritual 90 00:05:41,238 --> 00:05:43,988 journey for me, both physically and mentally. 91 00:05:45,608 --> 00:05:49,499 Speaker 3: When your urologist was explaining to you what they 92 00:05:49,540 --> 00:05:53,088 had to do in the procedure and that sort of thing? Were they 93 00:05:53,168 --> 00:05:55,834 clear in the information they gave you or? 94 00:05:56,095 --> 00:06:02,170 Speaker 2: Yes, I'll tell you so . When I first got tested it was 95 00:06:02,170 --> 00:06:10,449 35 years old, 25 years ago, and at that time the urologist was 96 00:06:10,509 --> 00:06:15,992 at USC I'll never forget. She's since has gone on to Stanford, 97 00:06:16,031 --> 00:06:18,778 but she doesn't work and probably not excited anymore. 98 00:06:18,865 --> 00:06:25,180 She does other things I sent her a copy of. I had her look at it 99 00:06:25,180 --> 00:06:28,625 and she called me and I said could you take a look at this? I 100 00:06:28,625 --> 00:06:33,331 was first diagnosed with prostate cancer. I was, since I 101 00:06:33,350 --> 00:06:36,658 talked about the Gleason school I always talked about. She broke 102 00:06:36,658 --> 00:06:39,391 it all down to me, the five different areas that they found 103 00:06:39,451 --> 00:06:43,992 it and that meant and I asked her to recommend urologist for 104 00:06:44,033 --> 00:06:46,627 me. That's when she was able to recommend urologist. I ended up 105 00:06:46,687 --> 00:06:50,887 with it. So I did my homework back then. Dr Tachtow, look at 106 00:06:50,906 --> 00:06:53,315 the undergrad degree where you went to school, where you went 107 00:06:53,336 --> 00:06:56,978 to medical school and that type of thing. So I did my research. 108 00:06:57,665 --> 00:07:01,172 She connected me with him, but also what I like about him was 109 00:07:01,273 --> 00:07:06,002 he sent all my reports to her and temper him a loop Good. 110 00:07:06,949 --> 00:07:10,714 Speaker 3: Good, basically two different urologists who were in 111 00:07:10,714 --> 00:07:13,887 agreement. That's right. One of the things I used to always 112 00:07:13,908 --> 00:07:16,656 tell my patients when I was actually practicing general 113 00:07:16,696 --> 00:07:19,733 surgery they would be like I believe in second opinion. Yes, 114 00:07:20,504 --> 00:07:25,274 it's time to be in eye and recommend the procedure, be it a 115 00:07:25,274 --> 00:07:28,526 gallbladder surgery or whatever it was. That you know, 116 00:07:28,625 --> 00:07:32,452 obviously. You know I am so confident in my diagnosis that I 117 00:07:32,452 --> 00:07:35,598 want you to go out and validated, should you choose to 118 00:07:36,098 --> 00:07:39,685 Sure, you know there's certainly nothing wrong with that and I'm 119 00:07:39,685 --> 00:07:44,254 told that if you ever see a physician and he or she tries to 120 00:07:44,254 --> 00:07:47,827 discourage you from getting a second opinion, definitely get a 121 00:07:47,827 --> 00:07:48,692 second opinion. 122 00:07:50,067 --> 00:07:53,093 Speaker 2: That's why I reached out to her, dr Tachtow, because 123 00:07:53,153 --> 00:07:58,129 she had been studying this, in particular, for years. She 124 00:07:58,170 --> 00:08:01,526 worked in conjunction with a group in LA and that's all they 125 00:08:01,567 --> 00:08:06,127 did was do prostate screening on African American men, and so 126 00:08:06,267 --> 00:08:09,954 because by her basically being an expert in that field, I took 127 00:08:09,995 --> 00:08:14,406 her advice to heart and I knew she was in. She gave me a list 128 00:08:14,487 --> 00:08:17,093 of urologists, but, in particular, this guy was a 129 00:08:17,153 --> 00:08:19,807 director of the urology department and his background 130 00:08:19,826 --> 00:08:24,427 was extensive in different areas regarding urology, and that's 131 00:08:24,447 --> 00:08:26,766 what kind of stuck out with me and that's why I reached out to 132 00:08:26,807 --> 00:08:31,555 him and said you know what this is, a guy I want to diagnose and 133 00:08:31,555 --> 00:08:35,186 be with me and go through this journey with me. And so you 134 00:08:35,225 --> 00:08:38,029 mentioned when he first told me. Well, so, when we first went 135 00:08:38,049 --> 00:08:41,554 through the journey from December of 2021 to actually, I 136 00:08:41,575 --> 00:08:46,306 saw, in January of 2022 to having the actual removal, he 137 00:08:46,365 --> 00:08:50,134 sat down with me and a young urologist that had just finished 138 00:08:50,134 --> 00:08:54,028 med school and she's the one that read the report to me and 139 00:08:54,089 --> 00:08:58,816 explained to me why they felt it was time to move on doing 140 00:08:58,895 --> 00:09:03,388 something regarding prostate. They explained to me, because of 141 00:09:03,388 --> 00:09:07,315 like, oh, all the different areas, that they got the 142 00:09:07,355 --> 00:09:09,778 different things they can do. They can do at that time. 143 00:09:10,525 --> 00:09:15,405 Obviously, radiation they could put seeds in me. I mean, there's 144 00:09:15,405 --> 00:09:19,596 all the different areas that they could use in terms of doing 145 00:09:19,596 --> 00:09:23,500 that, but they never mentioned removal. And so I listened to 146 00:09:23,542 --> 00:09:26,524 all the other ones, dr Tachel, but I had the back of my mind I 147 00:09:26,565 --> 00:09:31,056 was already prepared that I was going to do removal if I got to 148 00:09:31,076 --> 00:09:34,211 that point. And I would tell you something funny prior to that, 149 00:09:36,990 --> 00:09:40,450 when they I had two biopsies. The first biopsies was December 150 00:09:40,470 --> 00:09:45,331 of 2020, then, I'm sorry, november of 2021, I took out 13 151 00:09:46,254 --> 00:09:52,809 strands of tissues. Yes, so they normally take 11 to 13. Because 152 00:09:52,809 --> 00:09:57,288 when she, when I went through the process, looking on the 153 00:09:57,369 --> 00:10:00,263 outside of it, my prostate was normal, but she said that 154 00:10:00,283 --> 00:10:03,125 doesn't mean anything, we need to go in and see. I was like, oh 155 00:10:03,125 --> 00:10:05,261 , they were, so they took the strands out. That's when they 156 00:10:05,282 --> 00:10:09,445 diagnosed with me in December. After that, all the way up until 157 00:10:09,445 --> 00:10:15,962 February, they took, I think, almost one, because he saw the 158 00:10:16,043 --> 00:10:19,211 elevation of my PSA, because they've been monitoring every 159 00:10:19,231 --> 00:10:22,642 month and they knew something was going on. And then I was 160 00:10:22,662 --> 00:10:25,179 like we used to score, which at time was five point five, that 161 00:10:25,221 --> 00:10:29,067 elevator. A little bit after they took out these strands of 162 00:10:29,970 --> 00:10:35,008 almost 20 strands of tissue and they saw 16 of them were in one 163 00:10:35,128 --> 00:10:38,184 area that was dark and he couldn't really see that. Once 164 00:10:38,225 --> 00:10:40,721 they were able to really go in and diagnose that, that's when 165 00:10:40,740 --> 00:10:43,880 he called and said I need to talk to you right away. And 166 00:10:43,921 --> 00:10:47,076 that's when, when he told me that something came over me 167 00:10:47,116 --> 00:10:50,006 saying well, james, it gets to the point where you may have to 168 00:10:50,048 --> 00:10:53,159 make a decision which way you're going to go operate on it. And 169 00:10:53,221 --> 00:10:56,168 I say well, we'll do the report while we listen to everything 170 00:10:56,288 --> 00:10:59,386 that he has to say Put in the back of my line I will pay for 171 00:10:59,407 --> 00:11:02,325 the business. And that's what I did. So I kind of had a games 172 00:11:02,365 --> 00:11:05,760 land already ready when he brought me in and said I need to 173 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:07,388 talk to you because this is pretty urgent. 174 00:11:07,940 --> 00:11:11,164 Speaker 3: So I kind of knew Well, you know, one of the 175 00:11:11,205 --> 00:11:14,221 things that impresses me is I hear you talk about you know 176 00:11:14,302 --> 00:11:20,240 details specifically as far as I would use that to recommend to 177 00:11:20,341 --> 00:11:24,706 all, all patients of potential you know. It's much about what 178 00:11:24,745 --> 00:11:30,243 I'm going through, as you're paying for all with that and ask 179 00:11:30,243 --> 00:11:35,024 questions. Physicians have a duty to and or you are right to 180 00:11:35,085 --> 00:11:39,044 review. That's right. Have a novel. You have to be 181 00:11:39,125 --> 00:11:44,245 knowledgeable about things and if the position or change not 182 00:11:44,287 --> 00:11:48,707 explaining in words of new understand I've been certain to 183 00:11:48,727 --> 00:11:51,320 get opinions from a second channel is not involved with 184 00:11:51,341 --> 00:11:53,327 that, nothing disrespectful about that. 185 00:11:54,341 --> 00:11:58,357 Speaker 2: I have a book as thick as I have all things, if 186 00:11:58,398 --> 00:12:03,230 not a journal. I can have every single sheet of paper from the 187 00:12:03,269 --> 00:12:08,657 diagnosis, from day one, to not talk a day of everything that 188 00:12:08,716 --> 00:12:11,613 I've been through and I can go back as reference if I'm not 189 00:12:11,633 --> 00:12:14,169 sure about something and just go through it and just look at it 190 00:12:14,210 --> 00:12:16,875 so I get a better understanding. And that's the pharmaceutical 191 00:12:16,914 --> 00:12:19,746 training in me. So, having gone through that type of training, 192 00:12:20,187 --> 00:12:23,844 it kind of prepared me for something like this, not 193 00:12:23,884 --> 00:12:26,039 realizing I'll be going through this at this point in my life. 194 00:12:26,381 --> 00:12:29,998 But that's why I made sure I wanted to stay as detailed as 195 00:12:30,019 --> 00:12:33,115 possible, because nobody understands my body better than 196 00:12:33,195 --> 00:12:38,015 I do Absolutely, and I want to make sure that I understand 197 00:12:38,076 --> 00:12:42,119 everything before it happens. And I must say he took the time 198 00:12:42,139 --> 00:12:45,937 with me. He saw how serious I was about my body, about taking 199 00:12:45,957 --> 00:12:48,494 care of my body. But most importantly, I think we develop 200 00:12:48,514 --> 00:12:50,846 a pretty good relationship with kids. We kind of love of 201 00:12:50,866 --> 00:12:55,523 shooting and it just made all the difference in the world. I 202 00:12:55,562 --> 00:12:57,519 think that was one of the spacious. You enjoyed seeing it. 203 00:12:57,519 --> 00:13:02,841 So I think that makes all the. You know, and I knew it. I 204 00:13:02,861 --> 00:13:07,105 didn't know what would happen post removal. Obviously, I can't 205 00:13:07,105 --> 00:13:10,461 predict that, but I knew that let's prepare it as I was going 206 00:13:10,626 --> 00:13:14,855 in, that I will make sure that I follow all the instructions and 207 00:13:14,855 --> 00:13:16,785 do what I'm supposed to do and stay obedient. 208 00:13:18,163 --> 00:13:19,928 Speaker 3: Well, you touched on another point that we've 209 00:13:19,948 --> 00:13:23,923 pre-credited me, because that everything is a relationship and 210 00:13:23,923 --> 00:13:27,481 the doctor-patient relationship is important on both sides. You 211 00:13:27,481 --> 00:13:31,068 have four. Both sides you respect mutual trust, good 212 00:13:31,089 --> 00:13:34,663 communication and you get that communication and you get that 213 00:13:34,836 --> 00:13:39,285 trust and respect, and that's mutually beneficial. Well, what 214 00:13:39,306 --> 00:13:44,181 would you recommend, Say, say in conclusion, to you know, 215 00:13:44,321 --> 00:13:48,025 individuals listening to your podcast or listening to your 216 00:13:48,046 --> 00:13:51,604 experience? What would you recommend to the men and the 217 00:13:51,624 --> 00:13:51,989 families? 218 00:13:54,111 --> 00:13:56,121 Speaker 2: I would recommend that. And then, obviously, every 219 00:13:56,121 --> 00:14:01,394 email. You know it doesn't matter what ethnicity you are, 220 00:14:01,475 --> 00:14:05,928 but if you're African American male and you have 35 or over, I 221 00:14:05,948 --> 00:14:08,975 would recommend you get yourself checked just to see where you 222 00:14:09,035 --> 00:14:12,793 are at health wise. That's the first thing, okay, and that's 223 00:14:12,854 --> 00:14:16,946 every male, I don't care what ethnicity you are. Find your 224 00:14:16,986 --> 00:14:20,802 gene or your history, do as much research as possible and then 225 00:14:21,043 --> 00:14:26,568 share those results with your family. My wife knew everything 226 00:14:26,589 --> 00:14:30,817 that was going on with me from day one, and it's just important 227 00:14:30,817 --> 00:14:34,745 to do that because you just never know. You never know. I 228 00:14:34,764 --> 00:14:37,470 didn't know that I was going to be diagnosed at 68 and then have 229 00:14:37,470 --> 00:14:43,147 my prostate removed at 60. I had no idea. Right, it happened 230 00:14:43,427 --> 00:14:47,351 and I was prepared and, yes, I was a little shocked. But I'd 231 00:14:47,392 --> 00:14:54,570 recommend anyone do that at that age. Learn as much as possible 232 00:14:54,750 --> 00:14:59,135 and if you don't understand, then ask someone that can 233 00:15:00,097 --> 00:15:03,825 explain it to you and ask as many questions as possible. One 234 00:15:03,845 --> 00:15:08,255 of the things that my urologist can't say is that I asked every 235 00:15:08,296 --> 00:15:11,070 time I went in there. He knew I was going to ask at least a 236 00:15:11,110 --> 00:15:15,269 minimum of five questions. I had questions ready because I 237 00:15:15,328 --> 00:15:19,866 wanted to know if this happened. That didn't happen, it wasn't 238 00:15:19,886 --> 00:15:23,572 the alternative there. So he was always prepared anyway, because 239 00:15:23,572 --> 00:15:26,746 he was just open like that. But I wanted to make sure I was 240 00:15:26,787 --> 00:15:29,554 prepared too, because this is my body retraction problem. 241 00:15:30,284 --> 00:15:32,370 Speaker 3: And one of the things I recommend to patients a lot 242 00:15:32,410 --> 00:15:35,370 of times when they go in. Many times patients are very nervous. 243 00:15:35,370 --> 00:15:38,267 I don't say worries, but they get there, they're really 244 00:15:38,326 --> 00:15:41,894 nervous. So write down the questions before they go. Sure, 245 00:15:42,445 --> 00:15:45,412 A lot of times you can't think or you may not think and you're 246 00:15:45,471 --> 00:15:49,230 nervous and you just want to get out of there. But write down 247 00:15:49,432 --> 00:15:54,246 four or five questions, whatever they are, or take some line 248 00:15:54,288 --> 00:15:57,614 with you who has the list, so that your questions are 249 00:15:57,653 --> 00:15:58,195 addressed. 250 00:15:58,635 --> 00:16:00,946 Speaker 2: I agree. I agree with you. The only time I got 251 00:16:00,986 --> 00:16:03,777 nervous, dr Tuck told me when he told me I needed to talk to him 252 00:16:03,777 --> 00:16:09,765 after the last biopsy. But prior to that I was fine. But 253 00:16:09,785 --> 00:16:12,633 when he told me that my gut feeling told me I had to make a 254 00:16:12,653 --> 00:16:16,950 decision, honestly. So that was the only time that I think I was 255 00:16:16,950 --> 00:16:22,008 anxious, when I went to go see him and we almost sat down and 256 00:16:22,067 --> 00:16:27,844 talked, but God was able to put me at peace because he told me 257 00:16:27,884 --> 00:16:30,268 you're making the right decision , james, this is what you should 258 00:16:30,268 --> 00:16:34,610 do, and that's exactly what I did, and I have been smiling 259 00:16:34,669 --> 00:16:38,892 ever since. I'm smiling prior to the procedure, during the 260 00:16:38,912 --> 00:16:40,777 procedure and after the procedure and after the 261 00:16:40,797 --> 00:16:41,278 procedure. 262 00:16:41,566 --> 00:16:43,350 Speaker 3: Well, one of the things we learned that health 263 00:16:43,371 --> 00:16:48,154 care is not a strata marathon. Yeah, it is, it really is, and 264 00:16:48,174 --> 00:16:50,984 we get older. We certainly learned that. If anything else 265 00:16:51,134 --> 00:16:55,336 you want to share with us, we don't want to take a bit more of 266 00:16:55,336 --> 00:16:59,320 your very precious time, but any last thing, words you want 267 00:16:59,340 --> 00:17:03,711 to leave with us, the biggest thing, dr Chaktao, is. 268 00:17:04,894 --> 00:17:09,285 Speaker 2: As men, we have a tendency not to talk and not to 269 00:17:09,445 --> 00:17:14,088 share. The main thing I will say If you are diagnosed with 270 00:17:14,209 --> 00:17:18,126 anything, you should share it. Don't hold it, don't keep it to 271 00:17:18,146 --> 00:17:21,811 yourselves. If you only share it with your family and close 272 00:17:21,852 --> 00:17:25,391 friends, that's fine. But share information, because shared 273 00:17:25,431 --> 00:17:28,326 information could help someone and save some going. I'll just 274 00:17:28,346 --> 00:17:32,856 share something briefly. A co-worker of mine was and I 275 00:17:32,936 --> 00:17:35,025 didn't even notice that we would talk here at a sort of 276 00:17:35,105 --> 00:17:40,648 co-worker, but we worked together back in the 80s. We 277 00:17:40,670 --> 00:17:44,906 were running to each other in Walmart. They say hi, okay, well 278 00:17:44,906 --> 00:17:48,241 , I didn't know it at the time, but he was concerned about his 279 00:17:48,301 --> 00:17:51,886 prostate and he's four or five years older than me and I sent 280 00:17:51,926 --> 00:17:56,296 him over to where I went and also to the doctor I went to, 281 00:17:57,204 --> 00:18:00,355 and he's been happy ever since and he appreciates me doing that 282 00:18:00,355 --> 00:18:04,333 . But in turn I'll be helping him that way. Then one of our 283 00:18:04,373 --> 00:18:08,809 church members sent me to one of his former one of his 284 00:18:09,210 --> 00:18:11,996 co-workers who actually went to the procedure six months before 285 00:18:12,056 --> 00:18:16,633 I did. Yes, and he's been guiding me since the procedure 286 00:18:16,732 --> 00:18:20,911 and post procedure. So that's why, as men, we have to open up 287 00:18:21,030 --> 00:18:25,527 and really share information like that, because it doesn't do 288 00:18:25,527 --> 00:18:28,807 any good to keep that to yourself and that could you be 289 00:18:28,847 --> 00:18:31,707 surprised who you did help or who has been through it. I found 290 00:18:31,707 --> 00:18:34,761 out going through all of this and guys I didn't know went 291 00:18:34,781 --> 00:18:38,729 through it, went through the same thing I did and I never 292 00:18:38,749 --> 00:18:40,854 would have known it had I not shared it with them. But they 293 00:18:40,874 --> 00:18:43,327 felt comfortable enough. I told them what I went through to 294 00:18:43,367 --> 00:18:46,913 share, what they went through. That's what I would say. As men, 295 00:18:46,913 --> 00:18:50,847 we have to learn out to share and that whole disinformation is 296 00:18:50,847 --> 00:18:54,315 too valuable and too important because you know better than I 297 00:18:54,355 --> 00:18:57,632 do. This is a second cause of death and Armpit of the first is 298 00:18:57,632 --> 00:19:01,769 heart disease, seconds, prostate cancer, and we have to 299 00:19:01,829 --> 00:19:05,046 be able to share and feel comfortable sharing, and the 300 00:19:05,086 --> 00:19:07,594 more people I've shared it with, the more better off our shell. 301 00:19:07,855 --> 00:19:12,759 So that's what I would tell me any nail. Whether they're not 302 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:15,771 any atlasty, it doesn't matter, I shared. 303 00:19:16,434 --> 00:19:18,284 Speaker 3: I completely agree with that and you're exactly 304 00:19:18,365 --> 00:19:21,539 right. But one of the things that and maybe it was the way we 305 00:19:21,539 --> 00:19:24,472 grew up or whatever we're where we just thought that being a 306 00:19:24,512 --> 00:19:27,665 man meant that we just sort of kept all that to ourselves. But 307 00:19:27,685 --> 00:19:33,386 the reality is you need else and partner and a friend. Yeah, 308 00:19:33,446 --> 00:19:38,077 just, you know and Bullish that. You know pre and during and 309 00:19:38,117 --> 00:19:42,473 post and certain age. They, the folks, can't read our minds and 310 00:19:42,513 --> 00:19:45,865 so you do have to share the song one and that's always helpful. 311 00:19:46,307 --> 00:19:49,748 Speaker 2: And as you go through this, well, prior to that, one 312 00:19:49,768 --> 00:19:52,696 of my classmates says you just don't look, you look stressed. 313 00:19:54,528 --> 00:19:57,816 And then one of you know my wife and I part of marriage ministry 314 00:19:57,816 --> 00:20:00,990 . One of them, one of the Marriage ministry couple, said 315 00:20:01,029 --> 00:20:04,863 James, you don't look the same. And when I sit down in church on 316 00:20:04,863 --> 00:20:08,835 Sunday, I just sat there and I listened to the choir and it was 317 00:20:08,835 --> 00:20:13,711 so dynamic listening to and it touched me and I said you know 318 00:20:13,751 --> 00:20:17,384 what they might be right? And I went home and I prayed on and 319 00:20:17,403 --> 00:20:18,689 said God, what should I do? 320 00:20:19,506 --> 00:20:21,710 Speaker 3: We all need to listen to our bodies because the body 321 00:20:21,750 --> 00:20:22,351 will tell you. 322 00:20:22,852 --> 00:20:25,959 Speaker 2: My body told me because I have, you know, I've 323 00:20:25,999 --> 00:20:31,643 lost 10 pounds Okay and I'm trying not trying everything to 324 00:20:31,663 --> 00:20:33,930 get it back. I want to build muscle back because I know I'm 325 00:20:33,970 --> 00:20:38,406 honest, I can't. I can't gain a pound, dr Topped. I mean I 326 00:20:38,448 --> 00:20:41,773 gained a couple pounds. I'm at 175. I've never I haven't been 327 00:20:41,794 --> 00:20:47,332 175 since my senior high school. I will. I've never. I mean it. 328 00:20:47,352 --> 00:20:49,356 Just I got to get back to at least one. 329 00:20:50,885 --> 00:20:53,335 Speaker 3: Well, you know, it's more difficult as we get older, 330 00:20:54,086 --> 00:20:58,201 and the reason is that as we get older, our weight is, is is 331 00:20:58,340 --> 00:21:02,816 muscle and fat. You know, you know earlier it's, it's, it's, 332 00:21:03,699 --> 00:21:06,448 I'm sorry, I mean it's muscle and fat. But you know, we were 333 00:21:06,468 --> 00:21:11,288 younger as we get older, we have less muscle, that's correct, 334 00:21:11,671 --> 00:21:14,723 you know, and so you know you can, you can gain some of the 335 00:21:14,763 --> 00:21:17,734 fat, but even some of that will be less, but a lot of it is 336 00:21:17,775 --> 00:21:20,545 because, and particularly with the surgery that you've had, 337 00:21:20,704 --> 00:21:24,582 that's taken away some of your muscle mass. Yes, it's long in a 338 00:21:24,582 --> 00:21:29,275 bill back up, and Post-60 is more difficult to build it up 339 00:21:29,336 --> 00:21:34,053 than pre-60. You know I've mixed a lot of sense. Yeah, so so, 340 00:21:34,093 --> 00:21:37,068 but, but just be patient with it . You know, just eat properly 341 00:21:37,589 --> 00:21:40,847 and just continue to do what you've been doing, but but it 342 00:21:40,887 --> 00:21:45,259 takes longer to build that muscle mass than say, 20 years 343 00:21:45,339 --> 00:21:50,153 ago or 10 years ago. I agree. But again, I want to thank you 344 00:21:50,333 --> 00:21:53,982 for taking your very valuable time and sharing your your, your 345 00:21:53,982 --> 00:21:58,314 experiences on a broad host of things, particularly your 346 00:21:58,334 --> 00:22:04,951 healthcare, and we will certainly have you back in the 347 00:22:05,031 --> 00:22:09,528 future to share some more information with us. Anytime by 348 00:22:09,547 --> 00:22:13,094 this time we're gonna let you go and you have a blessed day. 349 00:22:13,615 --> 00:22:16,326 Speaker 2: I do you do the same to Dr Tachtel. Thank you so much 350 00:22:16,326 --> 00:22:19,737 for taking the time out of your schedule to spend time with me 351 00:22:19,797 --> 00:22:23,409 just to find out how my journey has been in terms of this. I 352 00:22:23,469 --> 00:22:27,733 call it a journey and but I really appreciate you doing this 353 00:22:27,733 --> 00:22:30,105 so that it makes all the world in the difference. 354 00:22:30,546 --> 00:22:33,513 Speaker 3: So you're very welcome and, as we always like 355 00:22:33,534 --> 00:22:37,345 to say, be the change you want to see in the world. Yes, sir, 356 00:22:37,645 --> 00:22:38,067 thank you. 357 00:22:41,006 --> 00:22:42,990 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the healthy, wealthy and wise 358 00:22:42,990 --> 00:22:47,811 podcast with Dr William Chokta, md JD. We hope you enjoyed this 359 00:22:47,811 --> 00:22:51,787 episode. 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