Healthcare’s New Frontier: The Ascendancy of Wellness Leadership

1 00:00:00,821 --> 00:00:03,490 Speaker 1: Coming up on this episode of the HWWP. 2 00:00:05,083 --> 00:00:07,168 Speaker 2: We have this thing in healthcare, in medicine, called 3 00:00:07,168 --> 00:00:10,903 the Koch Postulates, that someone needs to be able to take 4 00:00:10,903 --> 00:00:16,400 my process that I say I created that will make it rain, and 5 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:21,077 they need to be able to produce my process independent of me and 6 00:00:21,077 --> 00:00:24,588 get the same result. That's just one part of that approach. 7 00:00:25,521 --> 00:00:28,753 My point is very simple. It's more than just me giving an 8 00:00:28,792 --> 00:00:32,124 opinion, more than just me being a nice person that you got to 9 00:00:32,145 --> 00:00:32,606 prove it. 10 00:00:34,182 --> 00:00:35,685 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Healthy, wealthy and Wise 11 00:00:35,725 --> 00:00:40,143 podcast with Dr William T Choctaw, mdjd, where the doctor 12 00:00:40,162 --> 00:00:43,390 helps you unlock your full potential by equipping you with 13 00:00:43,530 --> 00:00:47,000 tools and knowledge in the areas of health, wealth and wisdom 14 00:00:47,701 --> 00:00:51,454 Anchored in his experience as a business executive, a physician 15 00:00:51,475 --> 00:00:55,048 and surveyor for the Joint Commission, a former mayor and 16 00:00:55,189 --> 00:00:59,185 over 50 years of experience as a general surgeon. You've got 17 00:00:59,246 --> 00:01:03,463 questions, he's got answers, so let's get started. Here's Dr 18 00:01:03,503 --> 00:01:06,090 William T Choctaw, mdjd. 19 00:01:07,620 --> 00:01:11,849 Speaker 2: Good morning. I'm Dr William T Choctaw. Welcome to 20 00:01:11,968 --> 00:01:16,602 our Healthy, wealthy and Wise podcast. Each month, we strive 21 00:01:16,641 --> 00:01:19,724 to provide you, our listeners, with mental, physical and 22 00:01:19,786 --> 00:01:24,370 spiritual strength by giving actionable advice, tips, 23 00:01:24,631 --> 00:01:30,078 guidance and information to help you achieve your own personal, 24 00:01:30,158 --> 00:01:34,602 professional and spiritual goals . We recognize the health of the 25 00:01:34,602 --> 00:01:40,209 mind, body and spirit are paramount as a single and simple 26 00:01:40,209 --> 00:01:44,676 unit that can provide a cumulative strength greater than 27 00:01:44,676 --> 00:01:47,959 the individual parts to strengthen the whole person. 28 00:01:49,100 --> 00:01:52,584 This product is part of our Leadership Masterclass series 29 00:01:53,186 --> 00:01:57,570 based on my 50 years of medical experience 50 plus years of 30 00:01:57,611 --> 00:02:03,022 medical experience and 75 years of life experience. So sit back 31 00:02:03,563 --> 00:02:10,145 and enjoy with us. Today, we're going to talk about wellness 32 00:02:10,405 --> 00:02:15,251 leadership strategies, why and why we need them. That's 33 00:02:15,431 --> 00:02:21,020 wellness leadership strategies and why we need them. As always, 34 00:02:21,020 --> 00:02:25,007 I'd like to start off with my beliefs. I believe life is about 35 00:02:25,007 --> 00:02:29,573 being of service to others. I believe knowledge is power. I 36 00:02:29,612 --> 00:02:33,342 believe leaders can change the world. I also like to give you 37 00:02:33,361 --> 00:02:35,765 an outline to give you an idea about what we're going to talk 38 00:02:35,786 --> 00:02:39,612 about today and also specifically to give you an idea 39 00:02:39,612 --> 00:02:42,944 of when we're just about done. I certainly recognize that 40 00:02:42,965 --> 00:02:47,264 you're very busy people and you have a lot on your plate and we 41 00:02:47,283 --> 00:02:52,838 appreciate you stopping by to visit with us for a brief period 42 00:02:52,838 --> 00:02:55,563 of time. We're going to talk about the American Medical 43 00:02:55,604 --> 00:02:58,748 Association, which is the premier organization in this 44 00:02:58,829 --> 00:03:03,937 country for healthcare and physician education and 45 00:03:04,057 --> 00:03:07,587 certification. We're going to discuss the definition of 46 00:03:07,627 --> 00:03:10,168 wellness. We always like to start off with definitions. 47 00:03:10,640 --> 00:03:14,305 We're going to go over the types of wellness, the benefit of 48 00:03:14,365 --> 00:03:21,144 wellness and why wellness is finally taking its role in the 49 00:03:21,183 --> 00:03:26,622 position of health care and health education. The American 50 00:03:26,663 --> 00:03:32,105 Medical Association decided this year in 2023, to endorse the 51 00:03:32,247 --> 00:03:37,486 wellness leadership concept. To endorse the wellness leadership 52 00:03:37,526 --> 00:03:41,580 concept. If you're asking yourself, but what is that 53 00:03:41,641 --> 00:03:46,222 different from them endorse and leadership in general? I would 54 00:03:46,262 --> 00:03:52,887 surmise that it involves the AMA taking a more my word holistic 55 00:03:53,007 --> 00:03:56,566 view of health care. Now, the word holistic has been around 56 00:03:56,586 --> 00:04:02,640 for a long time, but I think, in essence, what it says is we 57 00:04:02,661 --> 00:04:06,442 don't just think about health care as the body, we don't just 58 00:04:06,481 --> 00:04:11,163 think about health care as care of the body. But I think, as 59 00:04:11,243 --> 00:04:15,467 time has gone on and this, indeed, is representative of my 60 00:04:15,527 --> 00:04:19,946 growth in health care that I have, and I think the whole 61 00:04:19,987 --> 00:04:23,901 medical association, have developed an appreciation for 62 00:04:24,262 --> 00:04:32,014 the importance and the significance of mind and spirit, 63 00:04:32,014 --> 00:04:38,012 if you will, as important as the body in terms of the whole 64 00:04:38,112 --> 00:04:42,264 being, if you will, the whole being growing and developing and 65 00:04:42,264 --> 00:04:47,161 becoming healthier. So when you hear wellness, think in terms 66 00:04:47,302 --> 00:04:53,483 of the totality of body, mind and spirit. Not only are these 67 00:04:53,584 --> 00:04:59,141 three areas side by side, but they are integrated, so think of 68 00:04:59,141 --> 00:05:03,841 it as a continuous movement between these three entities to 69 00:05:03,901 --> 00:05:08,944 create, ultimately, the whole you. That's really what we're 70 00:05:08,964 --> 00:05:11,822 concerned about, what we're interested in. We're going to 71 00:05:11,862 --> 00:05:14,543 talk about it from a leadership perspective. But what does that 72 00:05:14,603 --> 00:05:19,271 mean? That basically means that this is a leadership masterclass 73 00:05:19,271 --> 00:05:23,942 and we leaders are basically committed to helping others, and 74 00:05:23,942 --> 00:05:26,403 you can do that on multiple levels and you can do that any 75 00:05:26,442 --> 00:05:31,367 way you like or choose, but our goal is the other person, not 76 00:05:31,449 --> 00:05:36,987 just us, but it's us, so that we can then give back or give to 77 00:05:37,569 --> 00:05:43,704 someone else. So what is leadership? I would one define 78 00:05:44,047 --> 00:05:49,730 leadership. My simple definition of leadership is helping others 79 00:05:49,730 --> 00:05:52,764 . Now, that may sound a little strange, because usually we 80 00:05:52,826 --> 00:05:55,401 think of leaders as the people out front and the people who 81 00:05:55,422 --> 00:05:59,125 make the speeches and the this and the that. I look at it very, 82 00:05:59,125 --> 00:06:02,584 very basically. I really strongly believe that the 83 00:06:02,725 --> 00:06:08,002 essence of life is contributing to others. Now, you can do that 84 00:06:08,064 --> 00:06:10,685 in many different ways, that there is no perfect way or 85 00:06:10,764 --> 00:06:14,747 specific way to do it. But it should be about what you give 86 00:06:15,127 --> 00:06:19,125 than about what you get. And parenthetically or ironically, 87 00:06:19,526 --> 00:06:23,266 if you give something to others, you will automatically receive 88 00:06:23,346 --> 00:06:27,264 something. That's the beauty of it. So leadership is not someone 89 00:06:27,264 --> 00:06:31,644 who's telling people what to do . It is someone who decides that 90 00:06:31,644 --> 00:06:36,783 he or she is willing to help somebody else, and by helping 91 00:06:36,843 --> 00:06:41,401 that other person, you then receive yourself. And also 92 00:06:41,884 --> 00:06:45,483 parenthetically, by helping that other person, you then become a 93 00:06:45,483 --> 00:06:50,007 leader. Think about that by helping someone else, you then 94 00:06:50,226 --> 00:06:55,487 become a leader. So leadership another way of looking at it is 95 00:06:55,528 --> 00:07:02,444 the capacity to translate vision into reality. The capacity to 96 00:07:02,504 --> 00:07:08,125 translate vision into reality. Now, whether one is born a 97 00:07:08,204 --> 00:07:11,764 leader or you become a leader over time, I honestly do not 98 00:07:11,865 --> 00:07:16,161 know, but I do know the leadership does exist. I do know 99 00:07:16,161 --> 00:07:20,952 the leadership is requisite for us to go to those next levels. 100 00:07:21,100 --> 00:07:25,610 I do know that leadership is necessary for us to advance and 101 00:07:25,711 --> 00:07:30,290 grow and I do know that, should you make that decision in your 102 00:07:30,370 --> 00:07:36,172 life, your world will remarkably improve on multiple levels. 103 00:07:36,500 --> 00:07:39,161 What are some of the required skills of leaders, at least as 104 00:07:39,242 --> 00:07:43,449 we think of them. Leaders tend to be people who empower others, 105 00:07:43,449 --> 00:07:47,449 and that empowerment could be what they say, it could be what 106 00:07:47,509 --> 00:07:51,507 they do, or I would argue it's probably a combination of both, 107 00:07:51,648 --> 00:07:54,884 especially what they do, because I honestly believe that people 108 00:07:54,963 --> 00:08:00,382 look at what you do more than listen to what you say. They 109 00:08:00,442 --> 00:08:04,665 inspire people Think about Martin Luther King, think about 110 00:08:06,468 --> 00:08:11,165 Gandhi, think about Nelson Mandela. They inspire people. 111 00:08:11,987 --> 00:08:16,788 They lead change. I believe that change is always with us. The 112 00:08:16,827 --> 00:08:21,464 only constant in life is change, and so it's important not to be 113 00:08:21,464 --> 00:08:24,593 depressed and not to get upset. Whenever something changes, 114 00:08:25,321 --> 00:08:30,524 it's to anticipate it, to prepare for it, and the ultimate 115 00:08:30,524 --> 00:08:34,682 part of dealing with change is adaptability. If you determine 116 00:08:34,743 --> 00:08:40,142 or you figure out for you what adaptability is, then you will 117 00:08:40,182 --> 00:08:44,421 survive, and not only will you survive, you will thrive. So 118 00:08:44,500 --> 00:08:49,229 change is always with us and leadership are individuals or it 119 00:08:49,229 --> 00:08:54,303 is a process that leads the change, that leads the change 120 00:08:54,605 --> 00:08:58,383 through its ability to adapt to the change. Another required 121 00:08:58,442 --> 00:09:02,441 skill of leadership or leaders is a shared vision. You think 122 00:09:02,500 --> 00:09:06,830 about what needs to be done, you think about what is best for 123 00:09:07,169 --> 00:09:12,004 others, including yourself, and then you set out to reach that 124 00:09:12,085 --> 00:09:15,711 vision or to achieve that goal or to get to the top of that 125 00:09:15,792 --> 00:09:19,485 mountain. And then part of the thing about leadership is you 126 00:09:19,504 --> 00:09:23,123 don't wait for someone else to do it. You see what needs to be 127 00:09:23,182 --> 00:09:28,740 done and if it meets your criteria, you move forward. I 128 00:09:28,780 --> 00:09:34,568 have learned many lessons over my life over my 75 plus years 129 00:09:35,671 --> 00:09:39,461 and over my 50 plus years as a physician and one of the, I 130 00:09:39,481 --> 00:09:42,285 think, most important lessons I learned, as a physician 131 00:09:42,767 --> 00:09:50,100 particularly, was what the essence of life is all about, 132 00:09:50,886 --> 00:09:56,128 what's most important in life. Now I have and as many, if not 133 00:09:56,227 --> 00:09:59,701 most, individuals always want to strive for the best. That was 134 00:10:00,221 --> 00:10:04,967 sort of ingrained in me very, very early on from my mother who 135 00:10:04,967 --> 00:10:08,812 , as I mentioned in previous podcasts, was responsible for me 136 00:10:08,812 --> 00:10:14,265 being in medical school, going to medical school, and when I 137 00:10:14,426 --> 00:10:20,846 arrived at Yale Medical School and finished, I basically felt 138 00:10:21,167 --> 00:10:24,523 that I was equipped to deal with anything. Obviously, it's an 139 00:10:24,604 --> 00:10:29,845 excellent school. They taught me well and I had that level of 140 00:10:29,926 --> 00:10:33,631 confidence that I could do anything, that there were no 141 00:10:33,672 --> 00:10:37,884 limits on me. But some of the things that I learned along the 142 00:10:37,943 --> 00:10:44,594 way and I freely pass this on to you you can be good by yourself 143 00:10:44,594 --> 00:10:49,024 . I believe you can be good by yourself. If you work hard and 144 00:10:49,065 --> 00:10:52,509 you're well trained, or a combination of the two, you can 145 00:10:52,548 --> 00:10:58,101 achieve certain things and do a good job if you will. So you can 146 00:10:58,101 --> 00:11:03,528 do good by yourself, but excellence comes from a team. 147 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:08,375 Let me say that again you can be good by yourself, but 148 00:11:08,697 --> 00:11:14,038 excellence comes from a team. I'm a general surgeon. When I 149 00:11:14,077 --> 00:11:17,778 finished medical school as a general surgeon, I was very, 150 00:11:17,798 --> 00:11:20,817 very confident that I can go in and do the operation that I 151 00:11:20,857 --> 00:11:25,861 needed to do in my area or care for a patient in my area and do 152 00:11:25,902 --> 00:11:32,807 a good job. But what I also learned? That singularity, or 153 00:11:32,875 --> 00:11:37,259 the individual, whoever he or she may be, has an inherent 154 00:11:37,419 --> 00:11:42,980 limitation. Why? Because, as an individual, I am uniquely me. 155 00:11:43,615 --> 00:11:46,437 Now, I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but I'm saying that 156 00:11:46,457 --> 00:11:49,481 there's a limitation with it and we all have it. We all have it. 157 00:11:49,481 --> 00:11:54,201 So what's the point I'm trying to make? My point is even though 158 00:11:54,201 --> 00:11:59,104 I can be good by myself, excellence comes from a team. 159 00:11:59,375 --> 00:12:03,203 Let me repeat that, even though I can be good by myself, 160 00:12:03,696 --> 00:12:08,022 excellence comes from a team. I can be a good surgeon or a good 161 00:12:08,101 --> 00:12:13,322 physician, arguably by myself, but if I want to be an excellent 162 00:12:13,322 --> 00:12:18,177 surgeon or an excellent physician. I need a team. What 163 00:12:18,256 --> 00:12:22,457 I've learned, then, is that we were designed, I believe, as 164 00:12:22,518 --> 00:12:29,184 humans, to work as teams. If you can accept that concept and 165 00:12:29,264 --> 00:12:35,058 adopt and embrace and digest that concept, your life will be 166 00:12:35,139 --> 00:12:38,162 remarkable and better, because it's really not all about you, 167 00:12:38,596 --> 00:12:44,678 it's about the team. Think about it. Think about it. Yes, 168 00:12:46,022 --> 00:12:49,457 patrick Mahon is an excellent football player quarterback 169 00:12:49,919 --> 00:12:54,678 excellent but he cannot win a single game without the other 10 170 00:12:54,678 --> 00:13:01,845 men on his football team. Michael Jordan is an excellent 171 00:13:02,105 --> 00:13:06,083 basketball player, but he cannot win a single game without a 172 00:13:06,144 --> 00:13:10,335 team. I think those examples are before us throughout life, and 173 00:13:10,375 --> 00:13:14,721 sometimes we chose to notice them and sometimes we chose to 174 00:13:14,802 --> 00:13:17,823 ignore them. But what I have learned is that if you want 175 00:13:17,995 --> 00:13:22,855 excellence, then you need a team . Part of your achievement, a 176 00:13:22,936 --> 00:13:28,035 part of your journey if you will getting to that level of 177 00:13:28,236 --> 00:13:34,341 excellence is understanding how you function within a team or 178 00:13:34,381 --> 00:13:37,504 with a team. Does not matter what position you have in that 179 00:13:37,544 --> 00:13:41,330 team, but you need a team. I used to say many times I do not 180 00:13:41,450 --> 00:13:46,254 want a good doctor to take care of my wife and my kids and my 181 00:13:46,315 --> 00:13:50,366 family or myself. I want an excellent doctor. I do not want 182 00:13:50,407 --> 00:13:53,854 a good nurse, I want an excellent nurse. I do not want a 183 00:13:53,854 --> 00:13:57,662 good hospital, I want an excellent hospital. So my point 184 00:13:57,902 --> 00:14:02,528 is that if you want to get to that level of excellence that 185 00:14:02,628 --> 00:14:06,874 you need, it is important to understand the value, if you 186 00:14:06,933 --> 00:14:11,744 will, of a team and, more importantly, it is important for 187 00:14:11,744 --> 00:14:16,311 you to understand how you can work with a team and how that 188 00:14:16,410 --> 00:14:20,846 helps you achieve your goals, whatever those are. So keep that 189 00:14:20,846 --> 00:14:25,163 in mind. Excellence comes from a team. Now, when we look at 190 00:14:25,224 --> 00:14:28,469 wellness again and we are still sort of on the defined part of 191 00:14:28,528 --> 00:14:32,640 wellness we are talking about body, mind and spirit. Body, 192 00:14:33,142 --> 00:14:38,051 mind and spirit. Our bodies are obvious, we can stand in the 193 00:14:38,091 --> 00:14:40,980 mirror and we can look at our bodies. The mind is a little 194 00:14:41,081 --> 00:14:45,125 less obvious because the mind is sort of inside of the body and 195 00:14:45,187 --> 00:14:50,933 we have to be able to appreciate the specifics of the mind and 196 00:14:50,994 --> 00:14:55,325 what it works and how it works and in terms of how we think 197 00:14:55,384 --> 00:14:58,831 about ourselves and about our surroundings. And the spirit is 198 00:14:58,892 --> 00:15:04,606 even more subtle. The spirit is that part that we conceive in 199 00:15:04,706 --> 00:15:10,941 our minds and understand how it relates to us. But the part I am 200 00:15:10,941 --> 00:15:13,686 very simply trying to make is that all three are our 201 00:15:13,745 --> 00:15:19,620 requirement for us to thrive and for us to be well, and we want 202 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:24,470 to always be well. We want to be well ourselves so that we can 203 00:15:24,530 --> 00:15:30,109 then help others to be well. So let's go a little deeper into 204 00:15:30,168 --> 00:15:35,086 wellness. Wellness refers to a state of being in good health, 205 00:15:35,226 --> 00:15:39,293 both physically and mentally. It is a holistic approach to 206 00:15:39,394 --> 00:15:46,668 health. And again, that word holistic many people used to be 207 00:15:46,708 --> 00:15:49,852 disturbed by that word. I am not and I hope you are not either, 208 00:15:49,873 --> 00:15:52,635 but you can substitute a different word as you choose. 209 00:15:53,041 --> 00:15:56,927 But basically it means looking at the total being or the total 210 00:15:57,749 --> 00:16:02,854 essence, the total entity, if you will, and that's really body 211 00:16:02,854 --> 00:16:07,365 , mind and spirit. But it's also taken that body, mind and 212 00:16:07,384 --> 00:16:10,469 spirit approach to health care, because if you take that 213 00:16:10,509 --> 00:16:14,092 approach to health care then you will be more successful in 214 00:16:14,153 --> 00:16:17,738 achieving those levels of excellence that we've talked 215 00:16:17,778 --> 00:16:21,283 about before. When I was working with the John Commission and we 216 00:16:21,283 --> 00:16:24,729 were going to a hospital, to a hospital survey, I as a 217 00:16:24,788 --> 00:16:29,495 physician would primarily evaluate the physician areas, 218 00:16:29,576 --> 00:16:35,364 particularly surgery and surgery related areas, and the whole 219 00:16:35,443 --> 00:16:41,633 point is we look at the body, mind and spirit approach. We may 220 00:16:41,633 --> 00:16:44,977 not call it that, but we look at the results, which includes 221 00:16:45,038 --> 00:16:51,668 that total approach. Wellness includes nutrition, exercise, 222 00:16:51,749 --> 00:16:55,014 stress management and mental health. To look at it on another 223 00:16:55,014 --> 00:17:00,751 level Nutrition, exercise, stress management and mental 224 00:17:00,831 --> 00:17:06,346 health Wellness. So when I say wellness, I'm talking about 225 00:17:06,406 --> 00:17:12,836 those particular four areas nutrition, exercise, stress 226 00:17:12,938 --> 00:17:17,375 management and mental health. Wellness leadership it's a 227 00:17:17,415 --> 00:17:21,766 concept that emphasizes the importance of promoting wellness 228 00:17:21,766 --> 00:17:26,060 in the workplace. Let me say that again wellness leadership 229 00:17:26,141 --> 00:17:30,028 this is our topic. It's a concept that talks about 230 00:17:30,174 --> 00:17:32,642 emphasizing the importance of promoting wellness in the 231 00:17:32,682 --> 00:17:37,681 workplace. We talked earlier about body, mind and spirit and 232 00:17:37,721 --> 00:17:41,013 how that's important in terms of as we look at ourselves. We 233 00:17:41,034 --> 00:17:44,564 then transitioned to the importance of the individual 234 00:17:45,065 --> 00:17:50,617 working with a collective group of individuals, ie what I call a 235 00:17:50,617 --> 00:17:56,768 team. We specifically said that if we want excellence in 236 00:17:56,807 --> 00:18:00,604 whatever our pursuit is, it's important that we work with that 237 00:18:00,604 --> 00:18:05,397 team effectively. Now what we're saying is, when we think 238 00:18:05,498 --> 00:18:09,907 of wellness leadership, we want you to think of it in the 239 00:18:09,988 --> 00:18:16,641 context of promoting wellness in the workplace and also 240 00:18:16,861 --> 00:18:22,836 promoting wellness at home. Wellness, wellness wellness body 241 00:18:22,836 --> 00:18:27,251 , mind and spirit. As you think about your body, mind and spirit 242 00:18:27,251 --> 00:18:31,003 and what your needs are and what motivates you and what gets 243 00:18:31,003 --> 00:18:34,114 you in a good place. Think about that in terms of your 244 00:18:34,134 --> 00:18:38,166 spouse. Think about that in terms of your children and 245 00:18:38,247 --> 00:18:41,477 understand that at the different ages of your children, their 246 00:18:41,538 --> 00:18:45,830 needs and their understandings will vary as you're interacting 247 00:18:45,871 --> 00:18:51,464 with them as a parent or as a friend or as a partner, however 248 00:18:51,526 --> 00:18:55,414 you do it, whatever the circumstances are, think about 249 00:18:55,434 --> 00:18:59,808 it in terms of body, mind and spirit. Body, mind and spirit 250 00:19:00,069 --> 00:19:03,439 that when your son or daughter is playing soccer or basketball 251 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:06,885 or whatever sport they're playing, and you're on the 252 00:19:06,925 --> 00:19:11,265 sideline and you're supporting them, think about body, mind and 253 00:19:11,265 --> 00:19:14,615 spirit, and then you'll be much more effective in terms of what 254 00:19:14,615 --> 00:19:18,087 you're doing. So let's take a look at well-being and 255 00:19:18,268 --> 00:19:21,938 well-being leadership and apply it to a specific area. Let's 256 00:19:22,019 --> 00:19:26,307 apply well-being leadership to strategies for responding to 257 00:19:26,367 --> 00:19:31,444 COVID. So what would that look like or why would it be 258 00:19:31,525 --> 00:19:37,761 different? Now, clearly, all of us have developed strategies to 259 00:19:38,182 --> 00:19:41,070 respond to COVID because we've all had to deal with this, a 260 00:19:41,111 --> 00:19:45,019 worldwide pandemic. We live in the world. Therefore, we've had 261 00:19:45,039 --> 00:19:48,967 to deal with it some way. Some of us have probably done this 262 00:19:51,174 --> 00:19:55,443 easily, some more difficult, Some have had more challenges 263 00:19:55,523 --> 00:19:59,499 with it. It is a serious problem . It is a problem that has not 264 00:19:59,558 --> 00:20:02,686 gone away and probably will not go away. 265 00:20:03,755 --> 00:20:05,680 Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to this episode of the 266 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,994 Healthy, wealthy and Wise podcast with Dr William T 267 00:20:09,056 --> 00:20:13,765 Choctaw, mdjd. 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