Empowering Men to Conquer Prostate Cancer and Prioritize Health

100:00:00,480 --> 00:00:02,404Speaker 1: Welcome to the Healthy, Wealthy and Wise 200:00:02,524 --> 00:00:08,064podcast with Dr William Chokta, MDJD. Our mission is to empower 300:00:08,125 --> 00:00:11,897you with the knowledge and the tools you need to thrive in all 400:00:12,099 --> 00:00:16,184aspects of your lives. Join us now as we discuss everything 500:00:16,285 --> 00:00:19,842from nutrition and exercise to money management and personal 600:00:19,862 --> 00:00:24,733growth. Dr Chokta will provide insightful advice on how to 700:00:24,774 --> 00:00:28,064improve your physical and financial health, as well as 800:00:28,103 --> 00:00:31,460your emotional and mental well-being. Whether you're 900:00:31,481 --> 00:00:35,930looking to boost your energy levels, unlock financial freedom1000:00:35,930 --> 00:00:40,207or cultivate a more positive mindset, we've got you covered. 1100:00:41,880 --> 00:00:45,901Get ready to become the best version of yourself? So let's 1200:00:45,941 --> 00:00:49,375get started. Here's Dr William Chokta, MDJD. 1300:00:50,969 --> 00:00:53,084Speaker 2: Well, thank you, dr Chokta, And also thank you, 1400:00:53,124 --> 00:00:58,219jesse. I really appreciate it. Basically, my story is this I 1500:00:58,240 --> 00:01:05,730would say in 2021, just a regular checkup visit with my 1600:01:05,772 --> 00:01:11,942doctor, and he said you know, your PSA is elevated, and so 1700:01:11,962 --> 00:01:16,150because the normal score is 4.0,and mine had elevated to 4.6. 1800:01:17,659 --> 00:01:21,028And so he suggested that we takeanother look at it, say in 1900:01:21,067 --> 00:01:24,801about three or four months, and then go from there. So I didn't 2000:01:24,820 --> 00:01:27,503think anything of it, because I eat healthy, i exercise on a 2100:01:27,524 --> 00:01:32,843regular basis, i take care of myself, and so I ended up going 2200:01:32,884 --> 00:01:38,972back taking another blood test and it still was at the same 2300:01:39,033 --> 00:01:42,405number, and so he was kind of getting a little concerned 2400:01:42,444 --> 00:01:47,063because for me at that time, only being 58 years old, he 2500:01:47,102 --> 00:01:51,712thought when I was kind of young, to have, you know, a PSA with 2600:01:51,751 --> 00:01:57,911that score. So he suggested I goto the city of Hope and just 2700:01:57,971 --> 00:02:03,099have them take a look at it, andso I decided to do that, and 2800:02:03,120 --> 00:02:07,484I'll never forget December of 2021. I had an opportunity to go2900:02:07,484 --> 00:02:13,109there, And when they first did the initial blood test, 3000:02:13,530 --> 00:02:18,145obviously they solved the score,but then after that, when they 3100:02:18,185 --> 00:02:21,912did, when they checked the area around the prostate. Everything 3200:02:21,953 --> 00:02:26,164felt normal. It wasn't enlarged,i wasn't having any symptoms or3300:02:26,164 --> 00:02:30,520anything like that. So they decided to do a biopsy And in a 3400:02:30,561 --> 00:02:34,758biopsy they found five differentlittle specs that showed that I3500:02:34,758 --> 00:02:37,288had to be getting a prostate cancer in five different areas, 3600:02:37,367 --> 00:02:41,302in particular on the right side of my prostate. And so from 3700:02:41,383 --> 00:02:46,325there I became a patient And they began to monitor me from 3800:02:46,385 --> 00:02:51,080December of 2021 to when I actually had the removal on 3900:02:51,161 --> 00:02:54,664April 5th 2023. But the interesting thing, guys, i 4000:02:54,705 --> 00:02:57,881didn't do anything different. I kept my same diet, i kept 4100:02:57,961 --> 00:03:00,669exercising, taking care of myself, getting plenty of rest. 4200:03:01,280 --> 00:03:06,685But my prostate started to elevate And it went from 4.6 to 4300:03:08,527 --> 00:03:15,8006.6 in a year's period of time, and then from 6.6 in 2022 to 4400:03:15,881 --> 00:03:25,0282023, it went all the way up to 10.367. That was the final 4500:03:25,068 --> 00:03:30,228diagnosed for me on February 28,2023. I couldn't believe that 4600:03:30,268 --> 00:03:33,474it elevated that high and it wasn't just the right time. I 4700:03:33,495 --> 00:03:37,429prostrated at the time. It had shifted over to the left side 4800:03:38,189 --> 00:03:43,516and that's where the real concern was. Because they just 4900:03:43,576 --> 00:03:49,349felt that at that point There's time to do something about it, 5000:03:49,409 --> 00:03:56,240because they just didn't want itto metastasize my body at all. 5100:03:59,050 --> 00:04:02,896I went with my urologist. I got a chance to talk to him and 5200:04:03,198 --> 00:04:06,531spend time with him. He said youknow you have options. You're 5300:04:06,550 --> 00:04:09,706still relatively young. I wasn'teven 60 yet. He said you're 5400:04:09,747 --> 00:04:14,048relatively young, we can do radiation. I said no, i don't 5500:04:14,068 --> 00:04:17,745want that in my body, or we can just do the removal. I'll let 5600:04:17,766 --> 00:04:21,834you know when we can do that. That's when they decided to go 5700:04:21,875 --> 00:04:25,475ahead and do the removal process. What I wasn't thinking about I5800:04:25,475 --> 00:04:27,766did a lot of reading and research on it. I wasn't 5900:04:27,846 --> 00:04:30,944thinking what the after effects of that removal would be. I said6000:04:30,944 --> 00:04:34,773, oh, it's no big deal, it's just a small walnut inside of me6100:04:34,773 --> 00:04:37,745that they take out and I'll be back to normal again. That 6200:04:37,865 --> 00:04:43,795wasn't the case. Actually, the actual removal on April 5th I 6300:04:43,875 --> 00:04:47,906had to have a catheter in me forseven days And then after that 6400:04:48,206 --> 00:04:54,456I also have been going to a physical therapy for twice a 6500:04:54,497 --> 00:04:59,312week, still at the City of Hope.So I'm back exercising, but it 6600:04:59,372 --> 00:05:02,490hasn't been the same. I'm still getting in contact, obviously in6700:05:02,490 --> 00:05:06,571continents. I'm working on thatand just being able to get back6800:05:06,571 --> 00:05:11,086to my normal life. But things have taken a change. But the 6900:05:11,125 --> 00:05:14,632interesting part I couldn't findany one of my family who 7000:05:14,711 --> 00:05:17,978actually had it, to tell you a little short story about my 7100:05:18,038 --> 00:05:21,048family. You and I have somethingin common, dr Chakta. My family7200:05:21,048 --> 00:05:24,968my dad's a rooting from Tennessee And I have a ton of 7300:05:25,009 --> 00:05:27,911relatives down there I've never met before in the City of 7400:05:27,951 --> 00:05:32,810Memphis, tennessee, and so Tim Robinson got me in contact with 7500:05:32,831 --> 00:05:35,836one of my cousins, and he's the only one these 10 years older 7600:05:35,857 --> 00:05:38,968than me, the only one that I know of, that had prostate 7700:05:39,209 --> 00:05:42,875issues, and we're more of a distant cousin than we are a 7800:05:43,817 --> 00:05:48,273close related cousin So. But my other relatives, none of them 7900:05:48,613 --> 00:05:53,153have any prostate issues. None of them had any. Everything is 8000:05:53,213 --> 00:05:55,786fine with them and they're mostly in their 70s. I'm the 8100:05:55,906 --> 00:06:00,516only one and I'm 60 now that actually has had prostate 8200:06:00,557 --> 00:06:04,994removal. So that's basically my story in a nutshell. 8300:06:07,687 --> 00:06:10,713Speaker 3: Oh, what message would you want to give to other 8400:06:12,677 --> 00:06:17,848individuals, particularly men, about your stories? What lessons8500:06:17,848 --> 00:06:18,490did you learn? 8600:06:19,444 --> 00:06:22,069Speaker 2: Even though I was healthy, i mean I had. When I 8700:06:22,089 --> 00:06:25,596say healthy, don't have high blood pressure, diabetes, heart 8800:06:25,615 --> 00:06:30,189problems, any things. Each relatively healthy meal, watch 8900:06:30,230 --> 00:06:35,004everything I eat, make sure I get an up, rest, exercise. I 9000:06:35,024 --> 00:06:39,326would just tell men, it doesn't really matter If you're not sure9100:06:39,326 --> 00:06:45,697or don't know what your historyof in terms of prostate, you 9200:06:45,757 --> 00:06:48,706should have yourself check as early as 35. Because, believe it9300:06:48,706 --> 00:06:51,170or not, that's actually when I started to get my prostate 9400:06:51,189 --> 00:06:54,877checked, because I lost my dad at 49, but it wasn't from 9500:06:54,918 --> 00:06:58,473prostate. He had heart problems,heart disease at the end, large9600:06:58,473 --> 00:07:03,454heart, and so I wasn't quite sure and I started reading about9700:07:03,454 --> 00:07:06,668prostate cancer And I just saidyou know, this is something 9800:07:06,709 --> 00:07:10,716that African American males experience a lot earlier than 9900:07:10,776 --> 00:07:15,149most other ethnicities. I need to look at this because you 10000:07:15,189 --> 00:07:19,437never know. So from the age of 35 until now I've been having my10100:07:19,437 --> 00:07:22,269prostate check on a regular basis. But I would tell men and 10200:07:22,309 --> 00:07:25,166it doesn't matter what ethnicityyou are, i'll tell them, get 10300:07:25,206 --> 00:07:28,677your prostate checked early, getit checked early, 35 years old,10400:07:28,677 --> 00:07:32,005i mean, don't mess around. I was very fortunate Just a 10500:07:32,185 --> 00:07:38,858routine physical exam that my doctor spotted the elevation of 10600:07:38,918 --> 00:07:43,009my PSA And from there, i was able to go and have the city of 10700:07:43,029 --> 00:07:48,379home be able to take care of me all the way up until the removal10800:07:48,379 --> 00:07:52,812. So I will tell them you got toget yourself checked, whether 10900:07:52,853 --> 00:07:55,877it's with your position or just in general. There's so many 11000:07:55,898 --> 00:07:59,293different areas Now you can go in terms of getting a PSA check.11100:07:59,293 --> 00:08:04,785You got to do it. It's just important. So I really do. I 11200:08:04,805 --> 00:08:08,434think it's in fact, i know it's important because not all did 11300:08:08,454 --> 00:08:11,369they catch it early, but they caught it while I'm still 11400:08:11,470 --> 00:08:15,208relatively young and healthy, right. So that's why I decided 11500:08:15,228 --> 00:08:18,754to do the removal part, as opposed to some men who wait 11600:08:18,834 --> 00:08:23,548till later on And then they don't have that option. So, but 11700:08:23,610 --> 00:08:26,206I had options. So that's why youwant to get a check. You want 11800:08:26,225 --> 00:08:30,269to get a check early and stay ontop of it. So that would be my 11900:08:30,329 --> 00:08:30,670message. 12000:08:32,846 --> 00:08:35,886Speaker 3: And also tell us a little about yourself, You know 12100:08:35,927 --> 00:08:39,265what do you do for a living? Where'd you go to school? Just a12200:08:39,265 --> 00:08:42,005little brief bio, brief bio, well. 12300:08:42,246 --> 00:08:45,006Speaker 2: I grew up in SouthernCalifornia. I was very 12400:08:45,067 --> 00:08:49,405fortunate. I grew up what they call Southwest LA. So I grew up 12500:08:49,506 --> 00:08:55,510near the Western Imperial side, near Southwest College, not too 12600:08:55,572 --> 00:08:59,562far, believe it or not, from those two blocks South of 12700:08:59,682 --> 00:09:06,208Englewood and two blocks, i guess you could say, northwest 12800:09:06,269 --> 00:09:10,388of Parthon. My parents, like I said, my dad, was from Memphis, 12900:09:10,408 --> 00:09:14,023tennessee. He was in the Air Force. He came out and met my 13000:09:14,063 --> 00:09:19,847mom back in the late 50s. She was from Louisiana and I was 13100:09:19,888 --> 00:09:24,105very fortunate to be born here in Southern Cal. I went to all 13200:09:24,145 --> 00:09:27,422private schools. I went to a private grammar school, i went 13300:09:27,442 --> 00:09:29,970to a private high school, a loyal high school downtown LA. 13400:09:30,780 --> 00:09:35,000It's the oldest private all boyshigh school in California. It 13500:09:35,039 --> 00:09:40,724was created in, i believe, 1859.You guys have heard of Loyola 13600:09:40,764 --> 00:09:44,326Maramot University. That was birthed out of there and Loyola 13700:09:44,365 --> 00:09:49,446Law School was birthed out of there too. And then from there I13800:09:49,446 --> 00:09:51,842decided to go to a private college. I went to a black 13900:09:51,863 --> 00:09:53,659college called the David University of New Orleans. I 14000:09:53,720 --> 00:09:57,301thought at one time I wanted to be a pharmacist. We had a 14100:09:57,341 --> 00:09:59,884pharmacist in our family that kept saying you got to go to 14200:09:59,904 --> 00:10:02,129Xavier, you got to go to Xavier.It's a great school. 14300:10:02,229 --> 00:10:04,894Speaker 3: I remember Xavier, i know. For the rest, Yeah. 14400:10:05,220 --> 00:10:08,528Speaker 2: So I went down there take a look at that pharmacy 14500:10:08,589 --> 00:10:14,163program, dr Sattonsi, i don't know if this is for me. And so 14600:10:14,768 --> 00:10:17,020what I did was I became a pre-law major. So I was a 14700:10:17,061 --> 00:10:21,121pre-law international relations major And from there I got a 14800:10:21,182 --> 00:10:24,261chance to learn a little bit about politics. I got involved 14900:10:24,302 --> 00:10:27,222in a little bit of politics there. I decided to come back to15000:10:27,222 --> 00:10:29,708Southern California and, believe it or not, my first job 15100:10:30,028 --> 00:10:34,306I volunteered for Tom Bradley. He was running for governor the 15200:10:34,346 --> 00:10:37,393mayor but he was running for governor the second time. Okay, 15300:10:37,759 --> 00:10:40,951had an opportunity to work on his campaign, got a paid staff 15400:10:40,971 --> 00:10:45,485position and then decided that Ihad an opportunity to believe 15500:10:45,524 --> 00:10:48,049it or not to work for a council person in West Chester, 15600:10:48,110 --> 00:10:50,844california. I didn't want to interview for the position, but 15700:10:50,903 --> 00:10:54,982I thought at the time I just didn't have a heart to get into 15800:10:55,023 --> 00:10:57,369politics because I just didn't like the direction it was 15900:10:57,409 --> 00:11:01,063heading in and I want to be a part of it. And so I decided to 16000:11:01,104 --> 00:11:04,668get in sales. And so from then on I've had a career in sales 16100:11:04,707 --> 00:11:08,269over 30 years. I've worked in different, various forms of 16200:11:08,308 --> 00:11:11,903sales. I worked at one time withPepsi Cola. I also had the 16300:11:11,962 --> 00:11:15,297opportunity where I saw UC frequently Dr Chattow, working 16400:11:15,376 --> 00:11:17,384in the local industry for seven years. 16500:11:17,787 --> 00:11:20,245Speaker 3: Right, and then we just come to my office. Yeah, i 16600:11:20,265 --> 00:11:20,527did. 16700:11:21,682 --> 00:11:25,981Speaker 2: So that was a lot of fun It was. It was getting a 16800:11:26,022 --> 00:11:30,721chance to meet the doctors and detail them, and then from there16900:11:30,721 --> 00:11:35,304I worked for a company called Office Depot, and then that's 17000:11:35,345 --> 00:11:38,184where I've been. I've been in sales now for over 30 years and 17100:11:38,205 --> 00:11:42,643I'm still working, but I'm on a tail end of my career. I hope to17200:11:42,643 --> 00:11:45,571one day be able to be like you,dr Chattow, if you retire. 17300:11:47,806 --> 00:11:49,671Speaker 3: You know we might have you do a podcast. 17400:11:50,182 --> 00:11:54,245Speaker 2: Yeah, you never know.You never know. But during that17500:11:54,245 --> 00:11:59,488time period I was married My first time. My first wife had a 17600:11:59,567 --> 00:12:04,307son. He's now 31. And then I metmy second wife at St Stephens. 17700:12:05,259 --> 00:12:10,969We've been together now, as of June 2nd this year, 22 years. So17800:12:10,969 --> 00:12:15,664so I have a blended family. I have three grown sons and eight 17900:12:15,684 --> 00:12:21,604grandkids. Wow, wow, Congrats. How that happened I don't know, 18000:12:21,644 --> 00:12:28,034man, but unfortunately. You knowthe funny part coming to St 18100:12:28,076 --> 00:12:30,864Stephens I met Tim and Tim has been able to connect me with a 18200:12:30,884 --> 00:12:33,923lot of my relatives in Memphis Because, like I said, my 18300:12:33,962 --> 00:12:37,711grandfather had three sets of. Well, the first set was my 18400:12:37,770 --> 00:12:41,486father, my aunt and uncle, and Inever met my uncle, but I knew 18500:12:41,506 --> 00:12:45,162my aunt And then he didn't marrymy grandmother, he went and 18600:12:45,221 --> 00:12:49,082started another family and they get married, and so I have a ton18700:12:49,082 --> 00:12:54,164of relatives down in Memphis, tennessee area And I'm a very, 18800:12:54,225 --> 00:12:57,322very successful from my understanding. So I have a very 18900:12:57,442 --> 00:13:03,770large family, so to speak. So that's kind of my story from a 19000:13:03,811 --> 00:13:07,445nutshell. Why don't I? Yeah, i'mblessed. I've been truly 19100:13:07,485 --> 00:13:10,288blessed Been teaching Sunday school at St Stephens over 25 19200:13:10,347 --> 00:13:12,952years, so now I'm in the senior department. 19300:13:12,993 --> 00:13:18,647Speaker 1: So that's it. You hadspoken of how you discovered 19400:13:20,188 --> 00:13:25,703the situation with the proskate.Yes, yeah, doing a routine 19500:13:25,764 --> 00:13:31,287physical Mm-hmm. Before then. Was there any other? I mean, 19600:13:31,727 --> 00:13:39,330were you, were you feverish, didyou have body aches or anything19700:13:39,330 --> 00:13:39,812like that? 19800:13:40,580 --> 00:13:45,601Speaker 2: Did not have any symptoms whatsoever. And when 19900:13:46,124 --> 00:13:50,119the urologist said city of hope,like I said, it wasn't until 20000:13:50,158 --> 00:13:53,946they did the biopsy. when they found the traces of the five 20100:13:53,985 --> 00:13:59,014different areas of cancer and the prostate. You couldn't see 20200:13:59,073 --> 00:14:03,481anything. I didn't have any problems with my urine, my 20300:14:04,445 --> 00:14:08,086prostate was normal. So on the outside, on the surface, 20400:14:08,145 --> 00:14:11,380everything looked fine. It was just on the inside. It's when 20500:14:11,421 --> 00:14:14,201things were growing and startingto spread a little bit. That's 20600:14:14,221 --> 00:14:16,905when they were able to discover it. But no, I had no issues 20700:14:17,005 --> 00:14:19,804whatsoever. That's why they werekind of surprised at the age of20800:14:19,804 --> 00:14:24,32758. Because they told me I was relatively young to have that. 20900:14:24,639 --> 00:14:28,575So, and without me knowing my family history or background, 21000:14:29,177 --> 00:14:31,787you know, i was really kind of stoned that they found that. 21100:14:32,761 --> 00:14:35,388Speaker 1: So is that? is that typical that people don't have 21200:14:35,467 --> 00:14:36,048symptoms? 21300:14:36,890 --> 00:14:42,788Speaker 2: Yeah, So yes, and no.Dr Chattalka speak this better 21400:14:42,807 --> 00:14:46,506and I could. There are some instances where you don't really21500:14:46,506 --> 00:14:51,640have to have any symptoms to have the cancer in you. You 21600:14:51,681 --> 00:14:55,355don't. Now, with things being the way they are I mean, they're21700:14:55,355 --> 00:14:58,485starting to look, according to what my urologist told me more 21800:14:58,544 --> 00:15:02,201patients are trying to come in who don't have any symptoms that21900:15:02,201 --> 00:15:05,854they've been able to find in the prostate. I was like, wow, 22000:15:06,134 --> 00:15:09,082this is the new world that has kind of opened up in that area. 22100:15:09,123 --> 00:15:15,553So. But I could tell you guys this a former coworker of mine, 22200:15:16,160 --> 00:15:19,894that's about four years older than me, was concerned. He has 22300:15:19,955 --> 00:15:22,764prostate started to elevate and I sent him over to the city of 22400:15:22,825 --> 00:15:29,028Hope and now he's a patient overthere. So, and so I. That's why22500:15:29,028 --> 00:15:32,238, when I was first diagnosed andjust went through this, the 22600:15:32,278 --> 00:15:35,450first thing I did was I said letme open my mouth and just tell 22700:15:35,510 --> 00:15:38,282people about it. This is something you should keep to 22800:15:38,322 --> 00:15:42,274yourself, especially for men. You know we have. We've always 22900:15:42,315 --> 00:15:44,923had a hard time expressing ourselves when it comes to 23000:15:44,964 --> 00:15:48,775talking about and Dr Chattalka and related to that, about 23100:15:49,798 --> 00:15:52,966symptoms and problems we may have. But this is something that23200:15:52,966 --> 00:15:56,342I always say is a silent killer, because, outside of heart 23300:15:56,383 --> 00:16:00,115disease, prostate cancer is the next thing that takes us out. 23400:16:00,756 --> 00:16:05,589And when I told Reverend Dockry about it and I even told some of23500:16:05,589 --> 00:16:08,562my fraternity brothers about itI said this is something you 23600:16:08,582 --> 00:16:11,331guys got to really stay on top of. I don't care how old you are23700:16:11,331 --> 00:16:14,952, don't sleep on this, go to your doctor on a regular basis 23800:16:15,013 --> 00:16:18,245and get your PSH, because you just never know. They watched 23900:16:18,365 --> 00:16:23,038out that I got it because of my diet and how strict I am and the24000:16:23,038 --> 00:16:26,630way I take care of myself. But I said that can happen to me and24100:16:26,630 --> 00:16:30,263happen to anybody. So it doesn't matter how healthy you 24200:16:30,403 --> 00:16:33,490are, it's acceptable to it. 24300:16:33,711 --> 00:16:37,059Speaker 3: So you know and that's an important point. You 24400:16:37,080 --> 00:16:42,169bring up, James, that a lot of times we think pardon what we 24500:16:42,190 --> 00:16:45,605see on television or friends or whatever that we have control 24600:16:45,706 --> 00:16:48,677over a lot of this, but we really don't. And, as you 24700:16:48,717 --> 00:16:51,889mentioned, you know if it's in your genes or, however, and 24800:16:51,928 --> 00:16:55,923sometimes we don't know how it occurs. It just occurs, That's 24900:16:55,982 --> 00:16:59,193right, And so you just sort of have to have the regular 25000:16:59,234 --> 00:17:01,942checkups. You also mentioned some of those extremely 25100:17:01,982 --> 00:17:07,176important men. We men don't liveas long as women, And one some 25200:17:07,297 --> 00:17:11,406suggests is because we don't do what you intelligently did, 25300:17:11,887 --> 00:17:15,281which was go to your doctor, have regular checkups and follow25400:17:15,281 --> 00:17:17,990through. A lot of times we havethe checkup but we don't follow25500:17:17,990 --> 00:17:21,911through. That's correct, And I think you're a classic example 25600:17:22,471 --> 00:17:26,001of what doing it the right way of doing it the right way And 25700:17:26,042 --> 00:17:30,432hopefully more people more men particularly, but men and women 25800:17:30,472 --> 00:17:34,204will pay attention and follow up. 25900:17:34,767 --> 00:17:37,752Speaker 2: They should Dr Jack tell. This is you just have to, 26000:17:38,539 --> 00:17:41,734and I credit my wife to this. Wemake sure that we go to the 26100:17:41,810 --> 00:17:46,204dentist. We get our checkups on a regular basis. I don't miss 26200:17:47,268 --> 00:17:52,384and just been, particularly now that I've been through this, not26300:17:52,384 --> 00:17:58,528only did I miss that, but I'm very sturgent when it comes to 26400:17:58,548 --> 00:18:02,661the city of hope, because after the procedure I was the one that26500:18:02,661 --> 00:18:07,290requested and thank God I have the insurance to do it Can I get26600:18:07,290 --> 00:18:11,846physical therapy? Because I think it's important to be able 26700:18:11,905 --> 00:18:17,702to get back to my normal routineand my normal lifestyle. And 26800:18:17,742 --> 00:18:20,269I'm glad I did, because I've been through two physical 26900:18:20,328 --> 00:18:24,123therapy sessions and I've had some great exercise routines 27000:18:24,143 --> 00:18:28,432that I've been taught that I'm utilizing. And I do go to the 27100:18:28,512 --> 00:18:32,847gym, but at the gym I'm not obviously doing my routine there27200:18:32,847 --> 00:18:37,406because I'm building myself back up again, but it's very 27300:18:37,467 --> 00:18:40,838important. I mean this is nothing to sleep on. You really 27400:18:40,878 --> 00:18:45,390got to do your due diligence anddo your checkup. And then also,27500:18:45,390 --> 00:18:49,686i mean I went as far before my urologist. When I first met my 27600:18:49,767 --> 00:18:54,565urologist, i did a background onit, i had a check with other 27700:18:54,684 --> 00:18:59,720urologists And I even went as far as to check his background 27800:18:59,880 --> 00:19:03,209terms of academically, where do you go to medical school? That 27900:19:03,229 --> 00:19:06,686was important to me. So I just think it's important to do your 28000:19:06,707 --> 00:19:10,020due diligence because I chose the right person, because this 28100:19:10,101 --> 00:19:17,337guy was very aggressive when it came to that. So I'm quite 28200:19:17,377 --> 00:19:20,305pleased. I'm quite happy guys. Ican tell you today I feel great28300:19:20,305 --> 00:19:24,433, i have a great outlook on lifeand I'm just willing to share 28400:19:25,000 --> 00:19:28,567with anybody that's willing to listen. I just think it's 28500:19:28,627 --> 00:19:32,643important to do it. I've told mykids because I have three adult28600:19:32,643 --> 00:19:35,730male kids you got to get your prostate checked. It's in the 28700:19:35,750 --> 00:19:40,376genes. So if I got it, it means you will get it. So I can't 28800:19:40,396 --> 00:19:42,723worry about what happened in thegeneration before. I can just 28900:19:42,743 --> 00:19:46,772tell you what's going on now. Soyou guys got to do it. 29000:19:47,960 --> 00:19:51,686Speaker 1: So there's no real lifestyle change or anything 29100:19:51,727 --> 00:19:57,001like that that a person can apply to their life to help 29200:19:57,083 --> 00:19:58,787reduce the risk or is there? 29300:19:59,548 --> 00:20:03,277Speaker 2: I stopped eating red meat over 25 years ago, 30 years29400:20:03,277 --> 00:20:09,244ago And, like I said, i watchedmy diet He extremely. What I 29500:20:09,305 --> 00:20:14,502felt was healthy, exercise and take care of myself, so had 29600:20:14,523 --> 00:20:16,068nothing to do with it, yeah. 29700:20:17,383 --> 00:20:19,682Speaker 3: And I think that's the key, james, it has nothing 29800:20:19,702 --> 00:20:22,729to do with it. And a lot of times we think, well, you know, 29900:20:22,819 --> 00:20:26,723if I go to the gym, if I do this, if I do that, then things 30000:20:26,784 --> 00:20:29,903won't happen to me. Yes, they will, because, to your point, 30100:20:29,942 --> 00:20:34,084james, it has nothing to do withit. Whether you get cancer or 30200:20:34,144 --> 00:20:37,943you do not get cancer many timesis not related to your 30300:20:38,045 --> 00:20:41,760lifestyle, correct, is not related to your lifestyle. Now, 30400:20:41,780 --> 00:20:43,801certainly, you want to have a good lifestyle and a healthy 30500:20:43,821 --> 00:20:47,468lifestyle, because that's beneficial both mentally as well30600:20:47,468 --> 00:20:52,771as physically, but it is not anisolate one or make one immune 30700:20:52,940 --> 00:20:56,224from getting things like cancer,and that's why the checkups and30800:20:56,224 --> 00:20:57,942those types of things are so important. 30900:20:58,265 --> 00:21:01,282Speaker 2: They really are, and that's something. Yeah, i just 31000:21:01,303 --> 00:21:04,663tell men all the time, and youngmen too. You got to do it, 31100:21:05,220 --> 00:21:09,025absolutely You got to do it, andI think I brought it up to you,31200:21:09,025 --> 00:21:12,689dr Chaktao, about possibly maybe something at the church 31300:21:14,403 --> 00:21:17,000where we can present it to some of the men there and just let 31400:21:17,020 --> 00:21:22,363them know. This is what you needto do. Maybe once or twice a 31500:21:22,443 --> 00:21:25,842year, just have a regular PSA check there. You never know, 31600:21:25,882 --> 00:21:29,925during hell of a week, what haveyou? because you just have to. 31700:21:29,945 --> 00:21:33,606Just, you don't want. This is the kind of thing that I found 31800:21:33,707 --> 00:21:38,269out too. This is not only sneak up on you, it could take you out31900:21:38,269 --> 00:21:43,330And you won't even know it. Because had I just brushed it 32000:21:43,451 --> 00:21:46,849off and said well, you know whatall my other levels are, well, 32100:21:46,920 --> 00:21:50,063why do I have to worry about this PSA? Then it's not telling 32200:21:50,103 --> 00:21:52,342what would happen, you know, because it could have 32300:21:52,362 --> 00:21:55,163metastasized inside of my body and they'd not have had another 32400:21:55,243 --> 00:22:03,650issue. So I'm more deadly. So I'm just glad that I listened 32500:22:03,690 --> 00:22:06,807and paid attention and did my follow-up and did my due 32600:22:06,826 --> 00:22:09,102diligence. You got to do your due diligence. You got to read 32700:22:09,423 --> 00:22:13,842and ask questions, be informed. I ask a ton of questions, good 32800:22:13,862 --> 00:22:20,121good, and I have the opportunityto send emails to my doctor and32900:22:20,121 --> 00:22:23,541ask questions. Anything I have or didn't understand, they 33000:22:23,602 --> 00:22:26,766responded right away. Now, obviously after the procedure. 33100:22:28,242 --> 00:22:31,282Then his physician assistant took over because he did the 33200:22:31,364 --> 00:22:36,443major part, and so she's the oneI've been in contact with And I33300:22:36,443 --> 00:22:39,744see her now every three months.So I was seeing them on a 33400:22:39,785 --> 00:22:44,183regular every month or four, twoyears. Now it's just seeing her33500:22:44,183 --> 00:22:47,201every third month and they check my PSA. Last time they 33600:22:47,241 --> 00:22:53,082checked it was unrecognizable, so that was good. So now I'll 33700:22:53,102 --> 00:22:54,826come back in three more months and we'll see. 33800:22:57,680 --> 00:23:01,890Speaker 1: So the likelihood of it recurring is low. 33900:23:04,763 --> 00:23:06,990Speaker 2: Well, they say it andtell me if I'm wrong, dr 34000:23:07,009 --> 00:23:14,161Chaitao, he said it's about 85% to 90%. It all depends. They 34100:23:14,181 --> 00:23:18,065couldn't give me a finite number, but because they caught it in 34200:23:18,105 --> 00:23:21,306me as early as they did and because I'm relatively healthy, 34300:23:22,281 --> 00:23:25,449they said I stand a chance possibly not getting it again. 34400:23:27,362 --> 00:23:29,683Speaker 3: I would sort of agreewith that. I mean, you never 34500:23:29,703 --> 00:23:33,101say never And that's why you do checkups and that's it. But I 34600:23:33,121 --> 00:23:34,506would think it would be very small. 34700:23:35,079 --> 00:23:38,342Speaker 2: Right, that's what they related to me, but hey, i'm34800:23:38,342 --> 00:23:42,183still going to go and have themget to take that blood test, 34900:23:42,203 --> 00:23:47,423because you just never know. Yeah, and I want to know anyway,35000:23:47,423 --> 00:23:53,645exactly, and I can tell you guys this too The month before 35100:23:54,067 --> 00:23:56,463excuse me, not the month the week before I actually had the 35200:23:56,503 --> 00:23:59,106procedure they did a I don't know if you're familiar with 35300:23:59,126 --> 00:24:03,280this, dr Chaitao they did a nuclear on me. So, in other 35400:24:03,300 --> 00:24:07,642words, they shot me with a nuclear medicine And they did a 35500:24:07,682 --> 00:24:10,644complete scan from the top of myhead to the bottom of my foot. 35600:24:11,180 --> 00:24:15,041That could tell me everything that was going on in my body And35700:24:15,041 --> 00:24:17,741the two things that they found.In other words, they're able to35800:24:17,741 --> 00:24:22,827tell me what my future may looklike. So in the future I got to35900:24:22,827 --> 00:24:25,103continue to walk straight, because if I don't, i may 36000:24:25,143 --> 00:24:29,528develop a curve in my back And Imay develop some arthritis in 36100:24:29,548 --> 00:24:33,144my knees. that may happen, but other than that, everything else36200:24:33,144 --> 00:24:37,583is relatively OK. And then one more thing too. They actually 36300:24:37,682 --> 00:24:43,413did do this as well. They did a family check, a historical check36400:24:43,413 --> 00:24:46,884, when they check my blood, justto see if it's something that 36500:24:46,904 --> 00:24:51,017is hereditary. And they didn't found it as being hereditary for36600:24:51,017 --> 00:24:54,968my family, at least back then. So I mean that was two years ago36700:24:54,968 --> 00:24:56,492, i don't know. 36800:24:57,234 --> 00:24:58,839Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting you bring that up, 36900:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,609because one of the things that'shappening in healthcare and 37000:25:01,650 --> 00:25:05,186we've even talked about it on some of our podcasts is how 37100:25:05,769 --> 00:25:10,240artificial intelligence is becoming more and more and more 37200:25:10,701 --> 00:25:14,348involved with healthcare, where the machines are smarter because37300:25:14,348 --> 00:25:23,366algorithms based on data that'sa larger pool. So as time goes 37400:25:23,547 --> 00:25:28,498on, we will get more predictive analytics type of information 37500:25:28,538 --> 00:25:29,220about our health. 37600:25:31,068 --> 00:25:31,790Speaker 2: That's correct. 37700:25:32,291 --> 00:25:36,061Speaker 3: Well, listen, James, we cannot thank you enough for 37800:25:36,122 --> 00:25:39,332taking time out of your businessschedule to come and share this37900:25:39,332 --> 00:25:43,986with us. We will certainly do the things that need to be done 38000:25:44,046 --> 00:25:49,576so that we can get this out. Andyou're young, I've known you 38100:25:49,615 --> 00:25:53,791for years and I remember when you used to come to my medical 38200:25:53,912 --> 00:25:58,925office and whatever and do your research of pharmaceuticals, and38300:25:58,925 --> 00:26:02,777I'm happy to see that you're still healthy, wealthy and wise.38400:26:02,777 --> 00:26:02,77738500:26:03,097 --> 00:26:06,486Speaker 2: Yes, very, very much so. Well, I'm still working on 38600:26:06,506 --> 00:26:07,268the wise part. 38700:26:09,371 --> 00:26:12,757Speaker 3: That's okay, we all are. But, yes, i'm very, very 38800:26:12,797 --> 00:26:16,814happy to have a great day You too. You take care, guys. 38900:26:16,934 --> 00:26:19,202Speaker 1: All right, you too, thanks for listening to the 39000:26:19,324 --> 00:26:22,232Healthy, wealthy and Wise podcast with Dr William Choctaw,39100:26:22,232 --> 00:26:26,506mdjd. We hope you enjoyed this episode and, if you found it 39200:26:26,566 --> 00:26:29,953helpful, you can support and subscribe to the podcast on your39300:26:29,953 --> 00:26:34,532favorite podcast platform with the keywords Dr William Choctaw.39400:26:34,532 --> 00:26:38,565Click on the support the show and you've got it. 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