Embracing Faith Amidst Prostate Cancer: A Journey with James Catron and Lessons on Healthcare Communication

100:00:00,461 --> 00:00:01,965Speaker 1: Welcome to the Healthy Both of your Lies 200:00:02,004 --> 00:00:06,342podcast with Dr William T Choctaw, md JD. Our mission is 300:00:06,363 --> 00:00:08,827to empower you with the knowledge and equip you with the400:00:08,827 --> 00:00:12,981tools you'll need to thrive in all aspects of your life. Join 500:00:13,022 --> 00:00:16,931us now as we discuss everything from nutrition and exercise to 600:00:16,972 --> 00:00:21,402money management, personal growth and spiritual growth. Dr 700:00:21,422 --> 00:00:24,788Choctaw will provide insightful advice on how to improve your 800:00:24,807 --> 00:00:27,952physical, financial and spiritual health, as well as 900:00:27,972 --> 00:00:31,102your emotional and mental well-being. So whether you're 1000:00:31,121 --> 00:00:34,369looking to get the latest in medical news, unlock financial 1100:00:34,469 --> 00:00:38,579opportunities or cultivate a more positive mindset, we've got1200:00:38,579 --> 00:00:41,746you covered. Get ready to become the best version of 1300:00:41,767 --> 00:00:46,845yourself. So let's get started. Here's Dr William T Choctaw, md 1400:00:47,186 --> 00:00:51,415JD, with an interview already inprogress with Mr James K Tron, 1500:00:51,856 --> 00:00:53,000a prostate cancer survivor. 1600:00:53,621 --> 00:00:58,895Speaker 2: He had 8.30am alreadyand so in the nuclear testing I1700:00:58,895 --> 00:01:02,871had to sit for four hours and not do anything. So I was 9 to 1800:01:02,912 --> 00:01:06,46212. When I came back at 12. Theyput me under a machine because 1900:01:06,483 --> 00:01:11,250the diet got into my blood and Iwas able to look at the future 2000:01:11,310 --> 00:01:16,221in terms of what my health wouldlook like in the future. And 2100:01:16,242 --> 00:01:20,829the two things that stood out tome was first was, if I don't 2200:01:20,870 --> 00:01:24,977improve my posture, I have a little mild curve in my back, 2300:01:25,957 --> 00:01:29,183which is something I'm working on. And number two, I may have 2400:01:29,284 --> 00:01:33,552arthritis in both knees later onand that's probably doing some 2500:01:33,593 --> 00:01:36,117extensive running on the court. The thing like that is a 2600:01:36,138 --> 00:01:39,046part-time efficient, but other than that they weren't able to 2700:01:39,087 --> 00:01:43,501just shine anything else. So I was able to relate that and that2800:01:43,501 --> 00:01:48,331happened actually a week beforeI had the actual removal of the2900:01:48,331 --> 00:01:54,109prostate. So at first I kind ofdid beat myself up regarding 3000:01:54,129 --> 00:01:58,358the prostate side up, but then, after I went through the genetic3100:01:58,358 --> 00:02:00,605testing and everything else, I'm like how can I beat myself 3200:02:00,685 --> 00:02:03,742up? I had no control over that Exactly. The only thing I can 3300:02:03,762 --> 00:02:07,871control is what I put in my mouth, what I drink, how much 3400:02:07,932 --> 00:02:11,764rest I get and what else I do other than that. Other than that3500:02:11,764 --> 00:02:14,562, you're right, dr. I did not control the genetics that's in 3600:02:14,602 --> 00:02:17,687my family. That's something I have no control over. 3700:02:18,861 --> 00:02:20,786Speaker 3: One of the things that we try to also tell our 3800:02:20,806 --> 00:02:25,724patients is to control the control, votes, correct that 3900:02:25,824 --> 00:02:28,292things that you just mentioned. There are things that you do 4000:02:28,331 --> 00:02:30,979have to control over, but we don't worry about those things. 4100:02:31,622 --> 00:02:33,949We tend to worry about those things that we can't control. 4200:02:34,681 --> 00:02:39,193But there are things like other people you know, yeah, what they4300:02:39,193 --> 00:02:43,081do and say we have no control over them, even our children. We4400:02:43,081 --> 00:02:46,669may think as parents, we have control, but we really don't 4500:02:46,871 --> 00:02:50,318always like to say it's not important to be able to control 4600:02:50,378 --> 00:02:53,960your children, but you want to have influence over you. Exactly4700:02:53,960 --> 00:02:57,451, as long as you have influence,then you can at least have a 4800:02:57,512 --> 00:03:03,706dialogue or communication. But I've learned I think I've worked4900:03:03,706 --> 00:03:08,437as a total total that the control is an illusion that we 5000:03:08,477 --> 00:03:14,122parents tell ourselves. But I can't decide ourselves. All we 5100:03:14,141 --> 00:03:17,068need to do is just go back and ask ourselves how much control 5200:03:17,108 --> 00:03:22,584did mom and dad really have us? Do Not as much? It's as if we 5300:03:22,604 --> 00:03:23,425can figure it out. 5400:03:23,847 --> 00:03:26,944Speaker 2: Yes, sir, I agree with that. Yes, you asked me in 5500:03:26,985 --> 00:03:30,822terms of how I had me, and we told my sons that I had it and 5600:03:30,842 --> 00:03:33,587that now is genetically linked with me, which means they have 5700:03:33,608 --> 00:03:37,764to get themselves tested. Okay, so that's the first thing I told5800:03:37,764 --> 00:03:41,667them and that you know get yourself tested. Obviously, I 5900:03:41,706 --> 00:03:45,043can help you when it comes to that. So they all knew right 6000:03:45,082 --> 00:03:48,989away, as soon as I was diagnosedwith it, that they have to now 6100:03:50,350 --> 00:03:53,543go get tested and monitor themselves. I didn't have that 6200:03:53,582 --> 00:03:58,024luxury because my dad passed away when I was 21 years old oh,6300:03:58,024 --> 00:04:02,268I just turned 21. And at the time he I don't even think his 6400:04:02,307 --> 00:04:05,515physician even checked to see ifhe had prostate, because he had6500:04:05,515 --> 00:04:09,960other issues that was going on with him. So that's why I didn't6600:04:09,960 --> 00:04:14,828. I wouldn't have known Unless he lived longer whether he had 6700:04:14,848 --> 00:04:15,991prostate problems or not. 6800:04:17,889 --> 00:04:20,000Speaker 3: So how has this affected you spiritually? 6900:04:21,201 --> 00:04:24,028Speaker 2: This, may, this journey believe it or not, dr 7000:04:24,067 --> 00:04:29,547Tachka has made me stronger. Good, my walk with Christ has 7100:04:29,648 --> 00:04:32,916always been strong, but for somereason I have grown stronger 7200:04:32,997 --> 00:04:36,341and stronger and stronger, I cantell you. When I first got 7300:04:36,382 --> 00:04:40,803diagnosed, I called my fraternity brothers and I told 7400:04:40,824 --> 00:04:44,713them you know, you can put this out right away that this is what7500:04:44,713 --> 00:04:48,209I'm going through. I need theirprayers. This is what I've been7600:04:48,209 --> 00:04:51,396diagnosed with and I wouldn't share if anyone would contact me7700:04:51,396 --> 00:04:56,271, which they did. And then I wasable to tell my Sunday school 7800:04:56,312 --> 00:04:59,338class and pray for me right awayabout everything that was 7900:04:59,358 --> 00:05:02,531taking place, and I even told the pastor of my church and I 8000:05:02,591 --> 00:05:05,086shared with as many men as possible that this is what's 8100:05:05,127 --> 00:05:09,827going on with me. Will you please pray for me as I make 8200:05:09,867 --> 00:05:13,677this journey, that I decided to go, that God has put me in and 8300:05:13,716 --> 00:05:16,572he's put me in there for a reason, and I'm willing to share8400:05:16,572 --> 00:05:19,288and I'm hoping to go with everybody. So this made me open 8500:05:19,369 --> 00:05:24,062up more to my faith and walk more by faith and not by sight, 8600:05:24,324 --> 00:05:27,492but also realize that God gave me what grace, because it's 8700:05:27,552 --> 00:05:31,411unbearative favor, and so he gave me favor. Through all of 8800:05:31,473 --> 00:05:36,857this I was able to pick the right urologist and everything. 8900:05:37,204 --> 00:05:41,197They just end up being what I felt a really good spiritual 9000:05:41,238 --> 00:05:43,988journey for me, both physically and mentally. 9100:05:45,608 --> 00:05:49,499Speaker 3: When your urologist was explaining to you what they 9200:05:49,540 --> 00:05:53,088had to do in the procedure and that sort of thing? Were they 9300:05:53,168 --> 00:05:55,834clear in the information they gave you or? 9400:05:56,095 --> 00:06:02,170Speaker 2: Yes, I'll tell you so. When I first got tested it was9500:06:02,170 --> 00:06:10,44935 years old, 25 years ago, andat that time the urologist was 9600:06:10,509 --> 00:06:15,992at USC I'll never forget. She's since has gone on to Stanford, 9700:06:16,031 --> 00:06:18,778but she doesn't work and probably not excited anymore. 9800:06:18,865 --> 00:06:25,180She does other things I sent hera copy of. I had her look at it9900:06:25,180 --> 00:06:28,625and she called me and I said could you take a look at this? I10000:06:28,625 --> 00:06:33,331was first diagnosed with prostate cancer. I was, since I 10100:06:33,350 --> 00:06:36,658talked about the Gleason school I always talked about. She broke10200:06:36,658 --> 00:06:39,391it all down to me, the five different areas that they found 10300:06:39,451 --> 00:06:43,992it and that meant and I asked her to recommend urologist for 10400:06:44,033 --> 00:06:46,627me. That's when she was able to recommend urologist. I ended up 10500:06:46,687 --> 00:06:50,887with it. So I did my homework back then. Dr Tachtow, look at 10600:06:50,906 --> 00:06:53,315the undergrad degree where you went to school, where you went 10700:06:53,336 --> 00:06:56,978to medical school and that type of thing. So I did my research. 10800:06:57,665 --> 00:07:01,172She connected me with him, but also what I like about him was 10900:07:01,273 --> 00:07:06,002he sent all my reports to her and temper him a loop Good. 11000:07:06,949 --> 00:07:10,714Speaker 3: Good, basically two different urologists who were in11100:07:10,714 --> 00:07:13,887agreement. That's right. One ofthe things I used to always 11200:07:13,908 --> 00:07:16,656tell my patients when I was actually practicing general 11300:07:16,696 --> 00:07:19,733surgery they would be like I believe in second opinion. Yes, 11400:07:20,504 --> 00:07:25,274it's time to be in eye and recommend the procedure, be it a11500:07:25,274 --> 00:07:28,526gallbladder surgery or whateverit was. That you know, 11600:07:28,625 --> 00:07:32,452obviously. You know I am so confident in my diagnosis that I11700:07:32,452 --> 00:07:35,598want you to go out and validated, should you choose to 11800:07:36,098 --> 00:07:39,685Sure, you know there's certainlynothing wrong with that and I'm11900:07:39,685 --> 00:07:44,254told that if you ever see a physician and he or she tries to12000:07:44,254 --> 00:07:47,827discourage you from getting a second opinion, definitely get a12100:07:47,827 --> 00:07:48,692second opinion. 12200:07:50,067 --> 00:07:53,093Speaker 2: That's why I reached out to her, dr Tachtow, because 12300:07:53,153 --> 00:07:58,129she had been studying this, in particular, for years. She 12400:07:58,170 --> 00:08:01,526worked in conjunction with a group in LA and that's all they 12500:08:01,567 --> 00:08:06,127did was do prostate screening onAfrican American men, and so 12600:08:06,267 --> 00:08:09,954because by her basically being an expert in that field, I took 12700:08:09,995 --> 00:08:14,406her advice to heart and I knew she was in. She gave me a list 12800:08:14,487 --> 00:08:17,093of urologists, but, in particular, this guy was a 12900:08:17,153 --> 00:08:19,807director of the urology department and his background 13000:08:19,826 --> 00:08:24,427was extensive in different areasregarding urology, and that's 13100:08:24,447 --> 00:08:26,766what kind of stuck out with me and that's why I reached out to 13200:08:26,807 --> 00:08:31,555him and said you know what this is, a guy I want to diagnose and13300:08:31,555 --> 00:08:35,186be with me and go through this journey with me. And so you 13400:08:35,225 --> 00:08:38,029mentioned when he first told me.Well, so, when we first went 13500:08:38,049 --> 00:08:41,554through the journey from December of 2021 to actually, I 13600:08:41,575 --> 00:08:46,306saw, in January of 2022 to having the actual removal, he 13700:08:46,365 --> 00:08:50,134sat down with me and a young urologist that had just finished13800:08:50,134 --> 00:08:54,028med school and she's the one that read the report to me and 13900:08:54,089 --> 00:08:58,816explained to me why they felt itwas time to move on doing 14000:08:58,895 --> 00:09:03,388something regarding prostate. They explained to me, because of14100:09:03,388 --> 00:09:07,315like, oh, all the different areas, that they got the 14200:09:07,355 --> 00:09:09,778different things they can do. They can do at that time. 14300:09:10,525 --> 00:09:15,405Obviously, radiation they could put seeds in me. I mean, there's14400:09:15,405 --> 00:09:19,596all the different areas that they could use in terms of doing14500:09:19,596 --> 00:09:23,500that, but they never mentioned removal. And so I listened to 14600:09:23,542 --> 00:09:26,524all the other ones, dr Tachel, but I had the back of my mind I 14700:09:26,565 --> 00:09:31,056was already prepared that I was going to do removal if I got to 14800:09:31,076 --> 00:09:34,211that point. And I would tell yousomething funny prior to that, 14900:09:36,990 --> 00:09:40,450when they I had two biopsies. The first biopsies was December 15000:09:40,470 --> 00:09:45,331of 2020, then, I'm sorry, november of 2021, I took out 13 15100:09:46,254 --> 00:09:52,809strands of tissues. Yes, so theynormally take 11 to 13. Because15200:09:52,809 --> 00:09:57,288when she, when I went through the process, looking on the 15300:09:57,369 --> 00:10:00,263outside of it, my prostate was normal, but she said that 15400:10:00,283 --> 00:10:03,125doesn't mean anything, we need to go in and see. I was like, oh15500:10:03,125 --> 00:10:05,261, they were, so they took the strands out. That's when they 15600:10:05,282 --> 00:10:09,445diagnosed with me in December. After that, all the way up until15700:10:09,445 --> 00:10:15,962February, they took, I think, almost one, because he saw the 15800:10:16,043 --> 00:10:19,211elevation of my PSA, because they've been monitoring every 15900:10:19,231 --> 00:10:22,642month and they knew something was going on. And then I was 16000:10:22,662 --> 00:10:25,179like we used to score, which at time was five point five, that 16100:10:25,221 --> 00:10:29,067elevator. A little bit after they took out these strands of 16200:10:29,970 --> 00:10:35,008almost 20 strands of tissue and they saw 16 of them were in one 16300:10:35,128 --> 00:10:38,184area that was dark and he couldn't really see that. Once 16400:10:38,225 --> 00:10:40,721they were able to really go in and diagnose that, that's when 16500:10:40,740 --> 00:10:43,880he called and said I need to talk to you right away. And 16600:10:43,921 --> 00:10:47,076that's when, when he told me that something came over me 16700:10:47,116 --> 00:10:50,006saying well, james, it gets to the point where you may have to 16800:10:50,048 --> 00:10:53,159make a decision which way you'regoing to go operate on it. And 16900:10:53,221 --> 00:10:56,168I say well, we'll do the report while we listen to everything 17000:10:56,288 --> 00:10:59,386that he has to say Put in the back of my line I will pay for 17100:10:59,407 --> 00:11:02,325the business. And that's what I did. So I kind of had a games 17200:11:02,365 --> 00:11:05,760land already ready when he brought me in and said I need to17300:11:05,760 --> 00:11:07,388talk to you because this is pretty urgent. 17400:11:07,940 --> 00:11:11,164Speaker 3: So I kind of knew Well, you know, one of the 17500:11:11,205 --> 00:11:14,221things that impresses me is I hear you talk about you know 17600:11:14,302 --> 00:11:20,240details specifically as far as Iwould use that to recommend to 17700:11:20,341 --> 00:11:24,706all, all patients of potential you know. It's much about what 17800:11:24,745 --> 00:11:30,243I'm going through, as you're paying for all with that and ask17900:11:30,243 --> 00:11:35,024questions. Physicians have a duty to and or you are right to 18000:11:35,085 --> 00:11:39,044review. That's right. Have a novel. You have to be 18100:11:39,125 --> 00:11:44,245knowledgeable about things and if the position or change not 18200:11:44,287 --> 00:11:48,707explaining in words of new understand I've been certain to 18300:11:48,727 --> 00:11:51,320get opinions from a second channel is not involved with 18400:11:51,341 --> 00:11:53,327that, nothing disrespectful about that. 18500:11:54,341 --> 00:11:58,357Speaker 2: I have a book as thick as I have all things, if 18600:11:58,398 --> 00:12:03,230not a journal. I can have every single sheet of paper from the 18700:12:03,269 --> 00:12:08,657diagnosis, from day one, to not talk a day of everything that 18800:12:08,716 --> 00:12:11,613I've been through and I can go back as reference if I'm not 18900:12:11,633 --> 00:12:14,169sure about something and just gothrough it and just look at it 19000:12:14,210 --> 00:12:16,875so I get a better understanding.And that's the pharmaceutical 19100:12:16,914 --> 00:12:19,746training in me. So, having gone through that type of training, 19200:12:20,187 --> 00:12:23,844it kind of prepared me for something like this, not 19300:12:23,884 --> 00:12:26,039realizing I'll be going through this at this point in my life. 19400:12:26,381 --> 00:12:29,998But that's why I made sure I wanted to stay as detailed as 19500:12:30,019 --> 00:12:33,115possible, because nobody understands my body better than 19600:12:33,195 --> 00:12:38,015I do Absolutely, and I want to make sure that I understand 19700:12:38,076 --> 00:12:42,119everything before it happens. And I must say he took the time 19800:12:42,139 --> 00:12:45,937with me. He saw how serious I was about my body, about taking 19900:12:45,957 --> 00:12:48,494care of my body. But most importantly, I think we develop 20000:12:48,514 --> 00:12:50,846a pretty good relationship with kids. We kind of love of 20100:12:50,866 --> 00:12:55,523shooting and it just made all the difference in the world. I 20200:12:55,562 --> 00:12:57,519think that was one of the spacious. You enjoyed seeing it.20300:12:57,519 --> 00:13:02,841So I think that makes all the. You know, and I knew it. I 20400:13:02,861 --> 00:13:07,105didn't know what would happen post removal. Obviously, I can't20500:13:07,105 --> 00:13:10,461predict that, but I knew that let's prepare it as I was going 20600:13:10,626 --> 00:13:14,855in, that I will make sure that Ifollow all the instructions and20700:13:14,855 --> 00:13:16,785do what I'm supposed to do and stay obedient. 20800:13:18,163 --> 00:13:19,928Speaker 3: Well, you touched on another point that we've 20900:13:19,948 --> 00:13:23,923pre-credited me, because that everything is a relationship and21000:13:23,923 --> 00:13:27,481the doctor-patient relationshipis important on both sides. You21100:13:27,481 --> 00:13:31,068have four. Both sides you respect mutual trust, good 21200:13:31,089 --> 00:13:34,663communication and you get that communication and you get that 21300:13:34,836 --> 00:13:39,285trust and respect, and that's mutually beneficial. Well, what 21400:13:39,306 --> 00:13:44,181would you recommend, Say, say inconclusion, to you know, 21500:13:44,321 --> 00:13:48,025individuals listening to your podcast or listening to your 21600:13:48,046 --> 00:13:51,604experience? What would you recommend to the men and the 21700:13:51,624 --> 00:13:51,989families? 21800:13:54,111 --> 00:13:56,121Speaker 2: I would recommend that. And then, obviously, every21900:13:56,121 --> 00:14:01,394email. You know it doesn't matter what ethnicity you are, 22000:14:01,475 --> 00:14:05,928but if you're African American male and you have 35 or over, I 22100:14:05,948 --> 00:14:08,975would recommend you get yourselfchecked just to see where you 22200:14:09,035 --> 00:14:12,793are at health wise. That's the first thing, okay, and that's 22300:14:12,854 --> 00:14:16,946every male, I don't care what ethnicity you are. Find your 22400:14:16,986 --> 00:14:20,802gene or your history, do as muchresearch as possible and then 22500:14:21,043 --> 00:14:26,568share those results with your family. My wife knew everything 22600:14:26,589 --> 00:14:30,817that was going on with me from day one, and it's just important22700:14:30,817 --> 00:14:34,745to do that because you just never know. You never know. I 22800:14:34,764 --> 00:14:37,470didn't know that I was going to be diagnosed at 68 and then have22900:14:37,470 --> 00:14:43,147my prostate removed at 60. I had no idea. Right, it happened 23000:14:43,427 --> 00:14:47,351and I was prepared and, yes, I was a little shocked. But I'd 23100:14:47,392 --> 00:14:54,570recommend anyone do that at thatage. Learn as much as possible 23200:14:54,750 --> 00:14:59,135and if you don't understand, then ask someone that can 23300:15:00,097 --> 00:15:03,825explain it to you and ask as many questions as possible. One 23400:15:03,845 --> 00:15:08,255of the things that my urologist can't say is that I asked every 23500:15:08,296 --> 00:15:11,070time I went in there. He knew I was going to ask at least a 23600:15:11,110 --> 00:15:15,269minimum of five questions. I hadquestions ready because I 23700:15:15,328 --> 00:15:19,866wanted to know if this happened.That didn't happen, it wasn't 23800:15:19,886 --> 00:15:23,572the alternative there. So he wasalways prepared anyway, because23900:15:23,572 --> 00:15:26,746he was just open like that. ButI wanted to make sure I was 24000:15:26,787 --> 00:15:29,554prepared too, because this is mybody retraction problem. 24100:15:30,284 --> 00:15:32,370Speaker 3: And one of the thingsI recommend to patients a lot 24200:15:32,410 --> 00:15:35,370of times when they go in. Many times patients are very nervous.24300:15:35,370 --> 00:15:38,267I don't say worries, but they get there, they're really 24400:15:38,326 --> 00:15:41,894nervous. So write down the questions before they go. Sure, 24500:15:42,445 --> 00:15:45,412A lot of times you can't think or you may not think and you're 24600:15:45,471 --> 00:15:49,230nervous and you just want to getout of there. But write down 24700:15:49,432 --> 00:15:54,246four or five questions, whateverthey are, or take some line 24800:15:54,288 --> 00:15:57,614with you who has the list, so that your questions are 24900:15:57,653 --> 00:15:58,195addressed. 25000:15:58,635 --> 00:16:00,946Speaker 2: I agree. I agree withyou. The only time I got 25100:16:00,986 --> 00:16:03,777nervous, dr Tuck told me when hetold me I needed to talk to him25200:16:03,777 --> 00:16:09,765after the last biopsy. But prior to that I was fine. But 25300:16:09,785 --> 00:16:12,633when he told me that my gut feeling told me I had to make a 25400:16:12,653 --> 00:16:16,950decision, honestly. So that was the only time that I think I was25500:16:16,950 --> 00:16:22,008anxious, when I went to go see him and we almost sat down and 25600:16:22,067 --> 00:16:27,844talked, but God was able to put me at peace because he told me 25700:16:27,884 --> 00:16:30,268you're making the right decision, james, this is what you should25800:16:30,268 --> 00:16:34,610do, and that's exactly what I did, and I have been smiling 25900:16:34,669 --> 00:16:38,892ever since. I'm smiling prior tothe procedure, during the 26000:16:38,912 --> 00:16:40,777procedure and after the procedure and after the 26100:16:40,797 --> 00:16:41,278procedure. 26200:16:41,566 --> 00:16:43,350Speaker 3: Well, one of the things we learned that health 26300:16:43,371 --> 00:16:48,154care is not a strata marathon. Yeah, it is, it really is, and 26400:16:48,174 --> 00:16:50,984we get older. We certainly learned that. If anything else 26500:16:51,134 --> 00:16:55,336you want to share with us, we don't want to take a bit more of26600:16:55,336 --> 00:16:59,320your very precious time, but any last thing, words you want 26700:16:59,340 --> 00:17:03,711to leave with us, the biggest thing, dr Chaktao, is. 26800:17:04,894 --> 00:17:09,285Speaker 2: As men, we have a tendency not to talk and not to 26900:17:09,445 --> 00:17:14,088share. The main thing I will sayIf you are diagnosed with 27000:17:14,209 --> 00:17:18,126anything, you should share it. Don't hold it, don't keep it to 27100:17:18,146 --> 00:17:21,811yourselves. If you only share itwith your family and close 27200:17:21,852 --> 00:17:25,391friends, that's fine. But share information, because shared 27300:17:25,431 --> 00:17:28,326information could help someone and save some going. I'll just 27400:17:28,346 --> 00:17:32,856share something briefly. A co-worker of mine was and I 27500:17:32,936 --> 00:17:35,025didn't even notice that we wouldtalk here at a sort of 27600:17:35,105 --> 00:17:40,648co-worker, but we worked together back in the 80s. We 27700:17:40,670 --> 00:17:44,906were running to each other in Walmart. They say hi, okay, well27800:17:44,906 --> 00:17:48,241, I didn't know it at the time, but he was concerned about his 27900:17:48,301 --> 00:17:51,886prostate and he's four or five years older than me and I sent 28000:17:51,926 --> 00:17:56,296him over to where I went and also to the doctor I went to, 28100:17:57,204 --> 00:18:00,355and he's been happy ever since and he appreciates me doing that28200:18:00,355 --> 00:18:04,333. But in turn I'll be helping him that way. Then one of our 28300:18:04,373 --> 00:18:08,809church members sent me to one ofhis former one of his 28400:18:09,210 --> 00:18:11,996co-workers who actually went to the procedure six months before 28500:18:12,056 --> 00:18:16,633I did. Yes, and he's been guiding me since the procedure 28600:18:16,732 --> 00:18:20,911and post procedure. So that's why, as men, we have to open up 28700:18:21,030 --> 00:18:25,527and really share information like that, because it doesn't do28800:18:25,527 --> 00:18:28,807any good to keep that to yourself and that could you be 28900:18:28,847 --> 00:18:31,707surprised who you did help or who has been through it. I found29000:18:31,707 --> 00:18:34,761out going through all of this and guys I didn't know went 29100:18:34,781 --> 00:18:38,729through it, went through the same thing I did and I never 29200:18:38,749 --> 00:18:40,854would have known it had I not shared it with them. But they 29300:18:40,874 --> 00:18:43,327felt comfortable enough. I told them what I went through to 29400:18:43,367 --> 00:18:46,913share, what they went through. That's what I would say. As men,29500:18:46,913 --> 00:18:50,847we have to learn out to share and that whole disinformation is29600:18:50,847 --> 00:18:54,315too valuable and too important because you know better than I 29700:18:54,355 --> 00:18:57,632do. This is a second cause of death and Armpit of the first is29800:18:57,632 --> 00:19:01,769heart disease, seconds, prostate cancer, and we have to 29900:19:01,829 --> 00:19:05,046be able to share and feel comfortable sharing, and the 30000:19:05,086 --> 00:19:07,594more people I've shared it with,the more better off our shell. 30100:19:07,855 --> 00:19:12,759So that's what I would tell me any nail. Whether they're not 30200:19:12,880 --> 00:19:15,771any atlasty, it doesn't matter, I shared. 30300:19:16,434 --> 00:19:18,284Speaker 3: I completely agree with that and you're exactly 30400:19:18,365 --> 00:19:21,539right. But one of the things that and maybe it was the way we30500:19:21,539 --> 00:19:24,472grew up or whatever we're wherewe just thought that being a 30600:19:24,512 --> 00:19:27,665man meant that we just sort of kept all that to ourselves. But 30700:19:27,685 --> 00:19:33,386the reality is you need else andpartner and a friend. Yeah, 30800:19:33,446 --> 00:19:38,077just, you know and Bullish that.You know pre and during and 30900:19:38,117 --> 00:19:42,473post and certain age. They, the folks, can't read our minds and 31000:19:42,513 --> 00:19:45,865so you do have to share the songone and that's always helpful. 31100:19:46,307 --> 00:19:49,748Speaker 2: And as you go throughthis, well, prior to that, one 31200:19:49,768 --> 00:19:52,696of my classmates says you just don't look, you look stressed. 31300:19:54,528 --> 00:19:57,816And then one of you know my wifeand I part of marriage ministry31400:19:57,816 --> 00:20:00,990. One of them, one of the Marriage ministry couple, said 31500:20:01,029 --> 00:20:04,863James, you don't look the same. And when I sit down in church on31600:20:04,863 --> 00:20:08,835Sunday, I just sat there and I listened to the choir and it was31700:20:08,835 --> 00:20:13,711so dynamic listening to and it touched me and I said you know 31800:20:13,751 --> 00:20:17,384what they might be right? And I went home and I prayed on and 31900:20:17,403 --> 00:20:18,689said God, what should I do? 32000:20:19,506 --> 00:20:21,710Speaker 3: We all need to listento our bodies because the body 32100:20:21,750 --> 00:20:22,351will tell you. 32200:20:22,852 --> 00:20:25,959Speaker 2: My body told me because I have, you know, I've 32300:20:25,999 --> 00:20:31,643lost 10 pounds Okay and I'm trying not trying everything to 32400:20:31,663 --> 00:20:33,930get it back. I want to build muscle back because I know I'm 32500:20:33,970 --> 00:20:38,406honest, I can't. I can't gain a pound, dr Topped. I mean I 32600:20:38,448 --> 00:20:41,773gained a couple pounds. I'm at 175. I've never I haven't been 32700:20:41,794 --> 00:20:47,332175 since my senior high school.I will. I've never. I mean it. 32800:20:47,352 --> 00:20:49,356Just I got to get back to at least one. 32900:20:50,885 --> 00:20:53,335Speaker 3: Well, you know, it's more difficult as we get older, 33000:20:54,086 --> 00:20:58,201and the reason is that as we getolder, our weight is, is is 33100:20:58,340 --> 00:21:02,816muscle and fat. You know, you know earlier it's, it's, it's, 33200:21:03,699 --> 00:21:06,448I'm sorry, I mean it's muscle and fat. But you know, we were 33300:21:06,468 --> 00:21:11,288younger as we get older, we haveless muscle, that's correct, 33400:21:11,671 --> 00:21:14,723you know, and so you know you can, you can gain some of the 33500:21:14,763 --> 00:21:17,734fat, but even some of that will be less, but a lot of it is 33600:21:17,775 --> 00:21:20,545because, and particularly with the surgery that you've had, 33700:21:20,704 --> 00:21:24,582that's taken away some of your muscle mass. Yes, it's long in a33800:21:24,582 --> 00:21:29,275bill back up, and Post-60 is more difficult to build it up 33900:21:29,336 --> 00:21:34,053than pre-60. You know I've mixeda lot of sense. Yeah, so so, 34000:21:34,093 --> 00:21:37,068but, but just be patient with it. You know, just eat properly 34100:21:37,589 --> 00:21:40,847and just continue to do what you've been doing, but but it 34200:21:40,887 --> 00:21:45,259takes longer to build that muscle mass than say, 20 years 34300:21:45,339 --> 00:21:50,153ago or 10 years ago. I agree. But again, I want to thank you 34400:21:50,333 --> 00:21:53,982for taking your very valuable time and sharing your your, your34500:21:53,982 --> 00:21:58,314experiences on a broad host of things, particularly your 34600:21:58,334 --> 00:22:04,951healthcare, and we will certainly have you back in the 34700:22:05,031 --> 00:22:09,528future to share some more information with us. Anytime by 34800:22:09,547 --> 00:22:13,094this time we're gonna let you goand you have a blessed day. 34900:22:13,615 --> 00:22:16,326Speaker 2: I do you do the same to Dr Tachtel. Thank you so much35000:22:16,326 --> 00:22:19,737for taking the time out of yourschedule to spend time with me 35100:22:19,797 --> 00:22:23,409just to find out how my journey has been in terms of this. I 35200:22:23,469 --> 00:22:27,733call it a journey and but I really appreciate you doing this35300:22:27,733 --> 00:22:30,105so that it makes all the world in the difference. 35400:22:30,546 --> 00:22:33,513Speaker 3: So you're very welcome and, as we always like 35500:22:33,534 --> 00:22:37,345to say, be the change you want to see in the world. Yes, sir, 35600:22:37,645 --> 00:22:38,067thank you. 35700:22:41,006 --> 00:22:42,990Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the healthy, wealthy and wise35800:22:42,990 --> 00:22:47,811podcast with Dr William Chokta,md JD. We hope you enjoyed this35900:22:47,811 --> 00:22:51,787episode. In fact, if you found this episode helpful, you can 36000:22:51,826 --> 00:22:56,076support and subscribe to the podcast on your favorite podcast36100:22:56,076 --> 00:23:00,593platform with the keywords Dr William Chokta, and you'll find 36200:23:00,633 --> 00:23:05,537it very quickly. 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