John Natividad’s Blueprint for Achievement Beyond the Classroom

100:00:01,910 --> 00:00:03,740Dr William T Choctaw:Okay, welcome everybody.200:00:03,740 --> 00:00:07,610Welcome to the Health and Wealthand Wives podcast with Dr.300:00:07,620 --> 00:00:08,540William Choctaw.400:00:08,560 --> 00:00:14,910We have an exciting guest with us today,a friend of mine, someone that I've grown500:00:14,910 --> 00:00:18,690up with to some extent, John Natividad.600:00:19,655 --> 00:00:22,455And John's going to sharesome of his experiences and700:00:22,455 --> 00:00:24,645some of his words of wisdom.800:00:24,955 --> 00:00:27,375One of the things that we'velearned is that you don't have to900:00:27,394 --> 00:00:30,335be 80 years old to become wise.1000:00:30,355 --> 00:00:31,875You can become wise at 30.1100:00:32,844 --> 00:00:38,915And John is in his 40s, and so he's, he's,he's learned a lot and has traveled a lot.1200:00:39,324 --> 00:00:43,535And so we're absolutely delightedfor him to be with us today.1300:00:44,225 --> 00:00:44,824Good morning,1400:00:44,824 --> 00:00:45,135John: John.1500:00:45,964 --> 00:00:46,615Good morning, Dr.1600:00:46,615 --> 00:00:48,355Choctaw, and good morningto all your listeners.1700:00:48,985 --> 00:00:51,435First and foremost, thankyou so much for having me on.1800:00:51,565 --> 00:00:55,684I'm very blessed and honored tobe able to speak with you today.1900:00:55,684 --> 00:00:57,655It's always great totalk to you and catch up.2000:00:58,424 --> 00:00:59,125Great, thank2100:00:59,135 --> 00:00:59,335Dr William T Choctaw: you.2200:00:59,735 --> 00:01:04,315So, you know, I, and let me saythat I've known John for years.2300:01:04,565 --> 00:01:08,075John and his family arevery close to my wife.2400:01:08,075 --> 00:01:14,615And so, John, tell me what you'vebeen doing since high school.2500:01:15,490 --> 00:01:16,279Oh, sure thing.2600:01:16,279 --> 00:01:20,560John: So since high school, of course,I went through the, you know, went to2700:01:20,560 --> 00:01:22,800college, but I had a circuitous route.2800:01:23,220 --> 00:01:26,880You know, I think in high school,there were times where I didn't do2900:01:26,880 --> 00:01:28,620as well or I wasn't as effective.3000:01:28,689 --> 00:01:30,079You know, I was a bad student, frankly.3100:01:30,459 --> 00:01:32,819So the one thing, at least, I would say.3200:01:33,309 --> 00:01:38,759Is that I had an opportunity to exploredifferent things at an early age that3300:01:38,759 --> 00:01:40,359not everything was a linear path.3400:01:40,929 --> 00:01:44,339High school for me wasn't a linearpath, but eventually I was on the3500:01:44,339 --> 00:01:48,839path, went on to get my undergraduatedegree from Cal Poly Pomona close by.3600:01:49,449 --> 00:01:53,843Started yeah, started intoconsulting working for KPMG in Los3700:01:53,843 --> 00:01:57,913Angeles before moving to New Yorkwith the Boutique Consultancy.3800:01:58,238 --> 00:01:59,908And that's where mycareer really took off.3900:02:00,038 --> 00:02:01,888I started working withmuch larger clients.4000:02:02,453 --> 00:02:04,243And it was a much leaner organization.4100:02:04,853 --> 00:02:06,183Dr William T Choctaw:That's an accounting firm.4200:02:07,003 --> 00:02:07,363Yeah, it4300:02:07,363 --> 00:02:10,473John: was an accounting firm, but Iwas doing more data strategy, I would4400:02:10,473 --> 00:02:12,533say, from a very high perspective.4500:02:13,083 --> 00:02:15,333And so the clients were very similar.4600:02:15,393 --> 00:02:18,173Of course, if you're an accounting firm,who's the first person you talk to?4700:02:18,173 --> 00:02:19,193It's your, your auditors.4800:02:19,193 --> 00:02:20,053Hey, I have a problem.4900:02:20,463 --> 00:02:22,323Do you have anyone in yourcompany that can help us?5000:02:22,753 --> 00:02:25,833And so that was certainly,certainly were my career.5100:02:26,023 --> 00:02:26,923Ha has blossomed.5200:02:27,103 --> 00:02:28,513I, I5300:02:28,518 --> 00:02:30,073Dr William T Choctaw: find itinteresting that you mentioned5400:02:30,073 --> 00:02:34,473that you didn't take a linear interms of high school and college.5500:02:34,653 --> 00:02:40,243What, what would you advise studentswho are not who may be listening now,5600:02:40,423 --> 00:02:41,953who are not taking a linear route?5700:02:42,813 --> 00:02:45,813What, what lessons you, you know, youdon't have to go into detail if you5800:02:45,813 --> 00:02:49,203don't want, but just in general, whattype what, what did you learn from all5900:02:50,633 --> 00:02:51,983John: I, learned that.6000:02:52,408 --> 00:02:57,538Education happens in many places on manydimensions, you might, you might not be6100:02:57,538 --> 00:03:02,738the best students in a classroom, butthere's other avenues for you to really6200:03:02,738 --> 00:03:07,288learn you can learn and whether it's atrade school, whether it's learning from6300:03:07,288 --> 00:03:09,828your mentors, and, you know, there's two.6400:03:10,178 --> 00:03:13,388Two lessons that I've learnedthat have stuck with me that were6500:03:13,388 --> 00:03:16,388not from teachers at Cal Polyand not from teachers at Kellogg.6600:03:16,398 --> 00:03:21,198I went to Northwestern for my MBA andtwo of the biggest lessons in my life6700:03:21,198 --> 00:03:22,578that stick with me till this day.6800:03:22,978 --> 00:03:26,318One is from a priest, someonewe both know, Father Tony.6900:03:26,838 --> 00:03:30,678So he mentioned to me yearsago that relationships matter.7000:03:31,848 --> 00:03:36,078So at any time when, when, whenyou're, when you're dealt a bad hand7100:03:36,078 --> 00:03:39,828or the chips are down, you can leanon those relationships if you've, if7200:03:39,828 --> 00:03:41,288you've taken the time to build those.7300:03:41,783 --> 00:03:42,033Right.7400:03:42,033 --> 00:03:45,663And I think that to meis one of the key things.7500:03:45,763 --> 00:03:50,563The next lesson I've learned was fromsomeone that was from, I guess you7600:03:50,563 --> 00:03:55,328could say, not, not Not the brightestindividual and, and frankly, he was, he7700:03:55,328 --> 00:03:58,808was a member of, of certain nefarious,he was a gang member, I guess, I7800:03:58,808 --> 00:04:00,048could just, without tiptoeing around.7900:04:00,608 --> 00:04:04,638He said to me, everyone has a planuntil you get hit in the mouth.8000:04:05,228 --> 00:04:08,948I know that's attributed to MikeTyson, but as an impressionable young8100:04:08,948 --> 00:04:12,398man, that lesson stuck with me andI will always attribute it to him.8200:04:12,828 --> 00:04:15,878And I think having a diverseeducation, really, your education8300:04:15,878 --> 00:04:17,048just doesn't happen in the classroom.8400:04:17,348 --> 00:04:18,208It could be from anyone.8500:04:18,218 --> 00:04:20,278It could be from anyone,regardless of their background.8600:04:20,758 --> 00:04:23,508And so that's, I think, key with,especially with the way that the8700:04:23,508 --> 00:04:28,318world's going, that we hear nowa lot of operations and firms are8800:04:28,418 --> 00:04:31,168bypassing the need for a degree.8900:04:31,628 --> 00:04:31,818Really?9000:04:32,998 --> 00:04:37,278Yeah, there's if you can show that youhave the skill set, you know, whether9100:04:37,278 --> 00:04:40,718it's in technology or whether it's instrategy, if you have a skill set that9200:04:40,718 --> 00:04:44,858can really make up for the lack of adegree and you have that experience.9300:04:44,858 --> 00:04:47,338I think that's you know,an avenue for people.9400:04:47,348 --> 00:04:51,508However, I will say that educationis still still key, especially9500:04:51,668 --> 00:04:54,318for your listeners who might bein different parts of the world.9600:04:54,708 --> 00:04:54,788Yeah.9700:04:55,258 --> 00:04:57,718Yeah, to give you a bit of, togive you a bit of additional color9800:04:57,758 --> 00:04:59,188I'm currently based in Tokyo.9900:04:59,728 --> 00:05:02,728The last 10 years of my career, orthe last 10 years of my life, frankly,10000:05:02,728 --> 00:05:06,668have been in split between HongKong, Tokyo, Shanghai, Singapore.10100:05:07,318 --> 00:05:10,858And that's where I've learned alot of, yeah, yeah, I would say10200:05:10,858 --> 00:05:12,588that I've traveled quite a bit.10300:05:13,158 --> 00:05:16,154And it really started frombeing flexible, right?10400:05:16,154 --> 00:05:21,968I think being flexible and understandingthat just like education, your10500:05:21,968 --> 00:05:23,578career is not a linear path either.10600:05:24,048 --> 00:05:27,618Like, if you take advantage of thesituation and you have a certain set of10700:05:27,618 --> 00:05:30,928base skill sets that you really believein, and you know you can deliver with,10800:05:31,638 --> 00:05:36,013being flexible on, okay, can you, canyou, can you head over to Tokyo first?10900:05:36,543 --> 00:05:38,613For six days and help a client out.11000:05:38,993 --> 00:05:42,733And then for me, that turned that for me,that turned into six years and a wife.11100:05:43,333 --> 00:05:49,003So I packed, I packed thesuitcase, I packed the suitcase.11200:05:49,003 --> 00:05:51,663And the next thing I knowI'm there for six years.11300:05:51,863 --> 00:05:54,183And of course I had a lot ofdifferent stops in between.11400:05:54,603 --> 00:05:58,413I'd say one of them being Singapore,I think that that to me was a very11500:05:58,413 --> 00:06:05,203big point in my life because while Iwas in Singapore I had moved in 2019.11600:06:05,543 --> 00:06:12,373Really from the from Hong Kong onthe back of the things that were11700:06:12,373 --> 00:06:15,303happening in Hong Kong at the time,there was a lot of capital flight.11800:06:15,683 --> 00:06:19,043I had seen that, okay, this is, Isee where the next opportunities11900:06:19,043 --> 00:06:19,973in Asia are going to be.12000:06:20,393 --> 00:06:21,393For me, that was Singapore.12100:06:21,393 --> 00:06:22,973I saw the money wasflowing into Singapore.12200:06:23,223 --> 00:06:24,283Let me go ahead and follow that.12300:06:24,923 --> 00:06:28,083The minute I move into Singaporeabout three months later it's12400:06:28,093 --> 00:06:29,993January, 2020 COVID hits.12500:06:31,773 --> 00:06:32,363Yeah.12600:06:32,593 --> 00:06:36,463And for, for all of you guys are Whoare in Asia, you, you would understand,12700:06:36,503 --> 00:06:40,483you understand that the, a lot ofthe lockdowns in, in Asia were much12800:06:40,503 --> 00:06:43,813more fierce than they were in otherparts of the world, like the U.12900:06:43,813 --> 00:06:44,233S.13000:06:44,873 --> 00:06:49,713You know, I had a a 30 squaremeter apartment, 400 square13100:06:49,713 --> 00:06:51,143foot flat in Singapore.13200:06:51,423 --> 00:06:54,833And for six months, I wasthere alone by myself.13300:06:55,033 --> 00:06:55,873Really not.13400:06:56,753 --> 00:07:00,223The lockdowns were so serious thatyou couldn't meet with your friends13500:07:00,223 --> 00:07:02,943or these types of things and as anexpat in Singapore, if you leave,13600:07:02,943 --> 00:07:04,193you wouldn't be able to come back.13700:07:04,193 --> 00:07:07,593So I decided to tough it out,where the only person that I would13800:07:07,593 --> 00:07:11,083speak to in person was my Uberdelivery driver for six months.13900:07:12,463 --> 00:07:16,853Yeah, I think that gives youa lot of perspective and it14000:07:16,853 --> 00:07:19,073forces you to readjust your.14100:07:19,148 --> 00:07:22,358You know, to kind of readjustyour what you want in life.14200:07:22,388 --> 00:07:27,028And that's, that's what led me to,you know, kind of revisit what you14300:07:27,028 --> 00:07:31,938knew me as really just spending a lotof time with family and really trying14400:07:31,938 --> 00:07:33,848to give back and do things that way.14500:07:33,848 --> 00:07:40,128So after COVID, you know, I reassessedI decided, okay, it's, if I, if, if14600:07:40,138 --> 00:07:44,243for some reason I passed away in myapartment, The first person to find14700:07:44,243 --> 00:07:47,373me would have been my assistant, andthat was a very sobering thought.14800:07:47,373 --> 00:07:48,098I miss that.14900:07:48,098 --> 00:07:48,823I miss that.15000:07:49,383 --> 00:07:49,933Yeah.15100:07:49,933 --> 00:07:52,963Dr William T Choctaw: Well,you know, I hadn't thought15200:07:52,963 --> 00:07:54,073about the whole COVID thing.15300:07:54,093 --> 00:07:58,563It's interesting that the thing aboutrelationships, every podcast that15400:07:58,563 --> 00:08:04,103I've done, we've done 40 so far, Ialways end with my lessons learned.15500:08:04,453 --> 00:08:06,633And one of those is whatyou just mentioned, that15600:08:06,703 --> 00:08:08,788everything is a relationship.15700:08:08,788 --> 00:08:13,463A relationship based on mutual respect,mutual trust, good communication.15800:08:13,798 --> 00:08:16,288And if you have that,then you're in good shape.15900:08:16,568 --> 00:08:19,448And if you don't have that,then you've got some work to do.16000:08:19,978 --> 00:08:20,098Yeah.16100:08:21,268 --> 00:08:22,608John: Yeah, no, absolutely.16200:08:22,608 --> 00:08:29,588And I've had so many of thoseexperiences where I had a relationship,16300:08:29,588 --> 00:08:34,138of course, with a, at the time, asubordinate of mine at my last firm.16400:08:34,138 --> 00:08:35,458We were good friends.16500:08:35,728 --> 00:08:39,268I brought him on to myfirm when I was in Asia.16600:08:39,898 --> 00:08:42,888And then, I took some timeoff after Singapore, and guess16700:08:42,888 --> 00:08:44,098who hired me into his firm?16800:08:45,698 --> 00:08:49,068The guy that I hired, seven years before.16900:08:49,558 --> 00:08:53,158So, it's, it's cyclical,and he, it did work.17000:08:53,158 --> 00:08:58,468And so, it's, those relationshipswere, it's, it's, it's,17100:08:58,478 --> 00:08:59,688it's a two way relationship.17200:08:59,708 --> 00:09:02,808You put in what you take from it,and, and really genuine empathy.17300:09:03,188 --> 00:09:05,618And understanding it's like,Hey, I want to help you.17400:09:05,978 --> 00:09:10,328My, my goal is for, you know, for,for my, the people that I have these17500:09:10,328 --> 00:09:13,948relationships with to get some sleepat night, you know, we work, we have17600:09:13,948 --> 00:09:17,358a very, we work in a global economy.17700:09:17,918 --> 00:09:19,368Work is being done everywhere.17800:09:19,368 --> 00:09:21,658People are, people are workingat all hours of the day.17900:09:21,658 --> 00:09:24,358What I really want to focus on with myfriends, it's like, Hey, I just want18000:09:24,358 --> 00:09:29,458to make sure that you guys get what youneed for me as a colleague, as a friend.18100:09:30,928 --> 00:09:35,188What comes of it may come, and for methat ended up being hired by my previous18200:09:35,188 --> 00:09:37,078subordinate, which is, which is fantastic.18300:09:37,368 --> 00:09:37,948Oh, that18400:09:38,338 --> 00:09:39,328Dr William T Choctaw: is fantastic.18500:09:39,718 --> 00:09:40,078Yeah.18600:09:40,168 --> 00:09:45,018Going back to your experience in that,that small apartment for six months, how18700:09:45,018 --> 00:09:47,008did you, how did you get through that?18800:09:47,078 --> 00:09:50,608I, I, I, I just, how did that work?18900:09:51,978 --> 00:09:57,218John: So that, that was, that was up Iguess logistically, lots of food delivery.19000:09:57,268 --> 00:09:59,108Singapore was very serious about it.19100:09:59,883 --> 00:10:00,633Lockdown.19200:10:00,653 --> 00:10:01,993So I got through it that way.19300:10:02,323 --> 00:10:06,583The other way was really keeping in touchwith friends and family digitally, you19400:10:06,583 --> 00:10:13,043know, FaceTimes and Zooms and watching,but watching them get older over FaceTime19500:10:13,043 --> 00:10:14,973was, was kind of heartbreaking for me.19600:10:15,423 --> 00:10:19,653So I, it really helped me get throughthat time knowing like, okay, at the19700:10:19,653 --> 00:10:21,683end of this, I will be able to see them.19800:10:22,343 --> 00:10:25,973Yeah, and so it's, I would say Iwould not wish that on anybody, but19900:10:26,793 --> 00:10:30,483I was, I did have a lot of spare timein the hours that I wasn't working.20000:10:30,483 --> 00:10:32,993I picked up, I picked up pottery.20100:10:32,993 --> 00:10:34,453I picked up Python.20200:10:35,108 --> 00:10:38,578You know, I, I started watchingcricket cricket is a major sport in20300:10:38,588 --> 00:10:40,178Singapore so I picked up cricket.20400:10:40,788 --> 00:10:43,678And so, you know, I, I tried tomake the most out of you know an20500:10:43,678 --> 00:10:47,148ideal situation, you know, justto have extra time and I'm alone.20600:10:47,448 --> 00:10:48,928I was alone at the time I was not married.20700:10:49,448 --> 00:10:52,138So I certainly tried to do as muchas I could to keep myself busy.20800:10:52,908 --> 00:10:55,158Dr William T Choctaw: And so youuse that time to actually to grow.20900:10:57,588 --> 00:10:57,888Yeah.21000:10:58,488 --> 00:10:58,668John: Yeah.21100:10:58,728 --> 00:11:02,438I think the idea of lifelonglearning to me is key.21200:11:03,038 --> 00:11:04,938I like to try to learnsomething new every day.21300:11:05,348 --> 00:11:09,298You know, whether it's reading anewspaper I still like to read the tactile21400:11:09,298 --> 00:11:11,078newspaper when I can get my hands on it.21500:11:11,228 --> 00:11:13,838You know, I could be a Luddite attimes, even though I work in tech.21600:11:14,418 --> 00:11:17,498And so I just try to learn somethingnew every day, whether or I'm21700:11:17,498 --> 00:11:20,858learning from something from thegrocery at the grocery, whether it's21800:11:21,388 --> 00:11:23,028from someone or something, right?21900:11:23,048 --> 00:11:27,468So I try to, I try to take the timeand I think about that actively.22000:11:27,468 --> 00:11:30,318It's like, okay, have I learned,have I learned something new today?22100:11:31,768 --> 00:11:36,248Dr William T Choctaw: And that's reallyvery smart to, to consciously be aware of22200:11:36,248 --> 00:11:41,588where you are mentally and physically andto, and to have, have, have a plan, you22300:11:41,588 --> 00:11:47,398know, to have standards or things thatyou want to achieve as compared to being22400:11:49,438 --> 00:11:53,308passive, you know, to be more active andto be more involved and to take charge.22500:11:54,098 --> 00:11:54,518Interesting.22600:11:55,018 --> 00:11:57,238Tell me more about the work that you do.22700:11:57,498 --> 00:12:05,618I was fascinated by the terms of Dataanalytics and and dispute investigations.22800:12:05,658 --> 00:12:10,058Now, I think legal when Ido that, but I'm not sure.22900:12:10,498 --> 00:12:12,078I'm not sure what all that means.23000:12:12,828 --> 00:12:13,148John: Sure.23100:12:13,148 --> 00:12:13,418Thanks.23200:12:13,418 --> 00:12:14,868So from a very, from a very high.23300:12:14,868 --> 00:12:19,958You know, as, as a attorney,you would need to understand the23400:12:19,988 --> 00:12:21,608kind of the discovery process.23500:12:22,143 --> 00:12:25,823And you can imagine the discoveryprocess now with the amount of data23600:12:25,823 --> 00:12:30,443that's being generated on a daily basiswhen we're thinking of items like your23700:12:30,473 --> 00:12:35,783iPhone or your Apple watch that givesGPS locations where, okay, where was23800:12:35,783 --> 00:12:37,353this individual at this time of day?23900:12:37,653 --> 00:12:41,853So there's this real law, hugeamounts of data that need to be.24000:12:42,568 --> 00:12:45,008Thought of in lit in litigation.24100:12:45,028 --> 00:12:49,038So as you can imagine, there's nottoo many lawyers with that background.24200:12:49,378 --> 00:12:54,138And so I found this niche about 10 years,10 or 15 years ago, early on in my career.24300:12:55,138 --> 00:13:00,258And it's really just around largeamounts of data in a dispute between two24400:13:00,258 --> 00:13:06,358parties and investigation by, you know,the Department of Justice or the SEC.24500:13:06,908 --> 00:13:12,048And so this, this Is the problem,not just in the US, but for24600:13:12,048 --> 00:13:13,588American companies abroad as well.24700:13:14,058 --> 00:13:17,738Or any foreign company that's publiclytraded in the United States still has to24800:13:17,738 --> 00:13:20,348adhere to the regulations here in the US.24900:13:20,798 --> 00:13:24,608And so as you can see, that's a very,that can be a very portable skill set.25000:13:26,523 --> 00:13:28,643Yeah, so that's me was important.25100:13:28,703 --> 00:13:31,003I would say when I made thedecision to move into this,25200:13:31,003 --> 00:13:32,313I understood it was a niche.25300:13:32,723 --> 00:13:35,863I, I, I enjoyed thestrategy of things more.25400:13:35,953 --> 00:13:38,763But for me, strategy isdifferent in different countries.25500:13:39,153 --> 00:13:41,493What can get what, what can I leverage?25600:13:42,573 --> 00:13:45,303Into a career that allows meto move to different countries.25700:13:45,303 --> 00:13:49,123And that was really important to me atthe time being able to see the world25800:13:49,663 --> 00:13:53,723frankly on someone else's dime but,and being able, but also being able25900:13:53,723 --> 00:13:56,313to help clients in different partsof the world and build relationships26000:13:56,393 --> 00:13:58,423with people that I would not have.26100:13:58,828 --> 00:14:01,738Met if I did not move outof the United States, so26200:14:01,738 --> 00:14:03,668Dr William T Choctaw: there wasan element of intentionality.26300:14:04,188 --> 00:14:08,208But with you, you wanted to findthat niche and make sure that you26400:14:08,468 --> 00:14:12,648had a skill set that was marketablethat that and marketable and26500:14:14,558 --> 00:14:15,468John: yeah, there's.26600:14:15,968 --> 00:14:20,758You know, I can, I can move back andsaying early on my career when I started,26700:14:20,758 --> 00:14:22,958I, I knew that I wanted to be in Asia.26800:14:22,968 --> 00:14:27,988I had taken a backpacking tripright before I started working and26900:14:27,988 --> 00:14:30,878I realized, okay, this would begreat if I can make it out here.27000:14:31,228 --> 00:14:35,058And if I could work here and, you know,do some good, you know, in my spare time27100:14:35,058 --> 00:14:36,968while also being able to grow my career.27200:14:37,598 --> 00:14:39,588And so what I really thoughtabout is, number one, like you27300:14:39,588 --> 00:14:40,638said, the marketable skills.27400:14:41,198 --> 00:14:46,598But, but number two, once I was at alarge, a firm that has that global reach,27500:14:46,788 --> 00:14:48,968I thought, okay, who do I need to talk to?27600:14:49,008 --> 00:14:52,688Who do I need to build relationshipswith who can help me get to Asia?27700:14:54,728 --> 00:14:58,608And so, you know, just beingvery deliberate in your plan.27800:14:59,958 --> 00:15:02,048being very deliberate andworking towards your plan.27900:15:02,048 --> 00:15:06,078You might not take 10 steps a day,but you might make half a step.28000:15:06,078 --> 00:15:08,158And that's still, that'sstill progression.28100:15:09,108 --> 00:15:09,878Why do you think28200:15:09,878 --> 00:15:13,438Dr William T Choctaw: that your planwork and others who I'm sure they28300:15:13,438 --> 00:15:17,428may have had similar ideas didn'twork, but what, what do you think was28400:15:17,428 --> 00:15:23,278unique about the way you did whateverthat allowed you to be successful?28500:15:24,348 --> 00:15:27,188John: I would say thetwo, two major things.28600:15:27,188 --> 00:15:29,398And really one, it goes backto relationships as well.28700:15:29,418 --> 00:15:35,173One, the person the first, personthat I worked with that once I started28800:15:35,183 --> 00:15:39,023looking, making a deliberate effortto, Hey, I want to be based in Asia.28900:15:39,023 --> 00:15:39,993I want to move to Hong Kong.29000:15:39,993 --> 00:15:41,163I want to move to Tokyo.29100:15:41,713 --> 00:15:48,093The first person who I looked towardswas the person who I've worked with for29200:15:48,153 --> 00:15:50,153the past 10 years at different firms.29300:15:51,113 --> 00:15:54,913We might do business together,but she, she, she's one of my29400:15:54,913 --> 00:15:57,163mentors and she was really key.29500:15:57,843 --> 00:16:01,753And me being able to show all ofthat thought and effort beforehand29600:16:01,763 --> 00:16:02,543was like, Hey, you know what?29700:16:02,543 --> 00:16:03,403You're serious about this.29800:16:03,403 --> 00:16:07,803You don't want to just come out and,and kind of you know, just party.29900:16:07,823 --> 00:16:09,703You really want to comeout and do some good work.30000:16:09,703 --> 00:16:14,903And so I think that made such a, madesuch a impression on her that she's been30100:16:14,903 --> 00:16:17,823my mentor since Yeah, so relationships.30200:16:17,823 --> 00:16:20,143I know I keep on harping onthat, but it's certainly for me.30300:16:20,143 --> 00:16:20,863That's been it.30400:16:21,273 --> 00:16:23,453And number two is willing to take risks.30500:16:25,253 --> 00:16:27,463Willing to take risksand be uncomfortable.30600:16:27,593 --> 00:16:32,853You know, it's certainly before movingout to before moving out to Hong Kong I30700:16:32,853 --> 00:16:35,613was taking Chinese or Cantonese lessons.30800:16:36,133 --> 00:16:37,443I was taking Mandarin lessons.30900:16:37,903 --> 00:16:42,003But I wasn't only, but six months in,I get a call from a client in Tokyo.31000:16:42,003 --> 00:16:43,723Hey, can you come over for six days?31100:16:43,773 --> 00:16:46,053Next thing I know, Ihave to learn Japanese.31200:16:46,453 --> 00:16:50,793And of course, that's not a, that's,that's not an the easiest situation.31300:16:50,793 --> 00:16:53,853It's a very volatile movingfrom one country to another.31400:16:54,238 --> 00:16:58,738Over the course of a month, essentiallyjust on the drop of a you know, just31500:16:58,738 --> 00:17:02,208basically at the drop of a hat, Iwould say being opportunistic when31600:17:02,208 --> 00:17:06,508you see that opportunity, you smellthat opportunity, you see that you31700:17:06,508 --> 00:17:09,998might, you're going to have to put inthe work, but at the end of the day,31800:17:10,228 --> 00:17:11,868can, can you do some good work there?31900:17:11,868 --> 00:17:12,918And sure.32000:17:12,948 --> 00:17:16,623And so I think taking risks for me wasthe And the relationships are the two32100:17:16,623 --> 00:17:18,023of the biggest things that propelled me.32200:17:18,933 --> 00:17:20,973Dr William T Choctaw: I would thinkthat it's certainly to be able to32300:17:20,983 --> 00:17:23,523take those risks and to be able to32400:17:27,133 --> 00:17:31,223open up, requires a certaindegree of confidence.32500:17:31,443 --> 00:17:33,523Where does your levelof confidence come from?32600:17:33,763 --> 00:17:36,723How did you, you know, becausea lot of people want to do those32700:17:36,723 --> 00:17:40,643things that you've done, butthey may and probably never will.32800:17:40,943 --> 00:17:45,863Why, what, what, where did youget that that made you think32900:17:45,863 --> 00:17:47,073that you could actually do it?33000:17:47,083 --> 00:17:47,923So you went ahead and33100:17:47,923 --> 00:17:48,263John: did it.33200:17:49,378 --> 00:17:53,178It's, it's, it's, there's no magicanswer, but I would say preparation.33300:17:54,018 --> 00:17:55,358I was, I was prepared.33400:17:55,768 --> 00:17:57,938I prepared myself atevery step of the way.33500:17:57,938 --> 00:18:02,098I, I, when I, when I chose myuniversity for undergrad, I picked a33600:18:02,098 --> 00:18:05,913university that was very That fit me.33700:18:06,083 --> 00:18:09,763Not because it was a big name, it'sbecause their program was something that33800:18:10,063 --> 00:18:12,033I could see myself being successful in.33900:18:12,253 --> 00:18:12,563Right?34000:18:12,863 --> 00:18:14,533They would give me the tools to succeed.34100:18:15,173 --> 00:18:18,843I was prepared once I startedmy career because I knew who34200:18:18,843 --> 00:18:20,773the players were on day one.34300:18:20,783 --> 00:18:23,193You know, I did my research, duediligence, whether you're using34400:18:23,203 --> 00:18:26,363LinkedIn, whether you're lookingat whatever anyone's published.34500:18:26,363 --> 00:18:29,743And, you know, this is, this is some,something that I tell a lot of you know,34600:18:29,743 --> 00:18:33,623when I speak at schools and these types ofthings, is know who, know your audience.34700:18:34,113 --> 00:18:38,183You know, LinkedIn, read anythingthey've ever published, read their34800:18:38,183 --> 00:18:39,953books if you can, if they have.34900:18:40,313 --> 00:18:44,823And that really gives you an ideaof the steps you can take next.35000:18:44,823 --> 00:18:47,713And so, that, for me that,it was just the preparation.35100:18:47,933 --> 00:18:51,523Preparation and Yeah, I would love tosay that I'm a big gambler but I'm not.35200:18:51,533 --> 00:18:54,083I'm, I need, I need data.35300:18:54,173 --> 00:18:58,343I'm a data guy so I need to ingest asmuch data as I can to make a decision.35400:18:59,203 --> 00:19:02,713Dr William T Choctaw: And that makes alot of sense that that you prepared for.35500:19:02,773 --> 00:19:04,063This wasn't an accident.35600:19:04,423 --> 00:19:06,093You, as you said, you did the work.35700:19:07,223 --> 00:19:10,303When you picked out your school,it wasn't just because of the name,35800:19:10,303 --> 00:19:14,053but you knew what you wanted, andyou wanted to see and wanted to make35900:19:14,053 --> 00:19:18,773sure that school was compatible andwould help you along with your goals.36000:19:19,093 --> 00:19:23,413And, and I think that, that, again,that level of intentionality is, is36100:19:23,413 --> 00:19:27,553a lot of times something that, thatwe, we don't do as much as we should.36200:19:27,553 --> 00:19:31,253We sort of wait for that magicmoment, and indeed you create36300:19:31,253 --> 00:19:32,633the magic in your own life.36400:19:35,113 --> 00:19:36,773John: Yeah, that's that'scertainly the case.36500:19:36,773 --> 00:19:41,203It's when you see that opportunity seesthat you really only if you let it pass36600:19:41,203 --> 00:19:46,293you by, you know, and we've we've all donethis where you see an opportunity and you.36700:19:46,653 --> 00:19:49,973You're thinking about it months andyears later, what if I did this,36800:19:50,313 --> 00:19:53,803did this differently, you know, Ithink my goal is really by being36900:19:53,803 --> 00:19:56,013prepared is that I won't have it.37000:19:56,043 --> 00:19:58,283I'll have I can minimizemy regrets later on.37100:19:58,613 --> 00:19:59,393Dr William T Choctaw: Right, right.37200:19:59,503 --> 00:20:01,283That's that's perfect.37300:20:01,633 --> 00:20:02,093Absolutely.37400:20:04,033 --> 00:20:06,383As you travel around the world.37500:20:06,403 --> 00:20:09,033Well, let's let's justsay in Japan and Tokyo.37600:20:09,638 --> 00:20:13,818But what have you learned as someof the major differences between37700:20:14,138 --> 00:20:15,938Tokyo and, say, California?37800:20:17,168 --> 00:20:20,728John: So I'd say the cultureis drastically different.37900:20:20,728 --> 00:20:26,348I would say that you know, it's, thework culture is it's, it's less of a38000:20:26,348 --> 00:20:31,118meritocracy, like it is here in theUnited States, and more of seniority.38100:20:31,478 --> 00:20:36,248And so having to understand thatand coming in as the, coming38200:20:36,248 --> 00:20:37,528in as the guy from America.38300:20:37,953 --> 00:20:40,303Or as that, you know, kind oflike that expat from the U.38400:20:40,303 --> 00:20:44,373S., I, I had to understand, like, I'mnot here to reinvent the wheel, I'm just38500:20:44,373 --> 00:20:46,283here to make sure that it's less noisy.38600:20:46,833 --> 00:20:51,193Right, and it's, and under, having a goodunderstanding, coming from California,38700:20:51,193 --> 00:20:55,313where we're really blessed with hugediversity I had grown up with Japanese38800:20:55,363 --> 00:20:58,093friends, and I had grown up with Chinesefriends, I've grown up with European38900:20:58,093 --> 00:21:02,863friends, and so, when I made it out to,you know, all the stops that I've made39000:21:02,863 --> 00:21:08,813it to, I wasn't surprised because Ispent time around my friend's parents.39100:21:08,813 --> 00:21:11,763I spent time around you know,first generation immigrants.39200:21:11,773 --> 00:21:14,833So when I got back to, whenI got back to Asia, it was, I39300:21:14,833 --> 00:21:16,683wasn't surprised by anything.39400:21:17,323 --> 00:21:23,233And I was really cognizant ofRespecting the values, the cultural39500:21:23,233 --> 00:21:28,023values, but understanding where Ican add, where I could add my value.39600:21:28,333 --> 00:21:30,093Dr William T Choctaw: Right,right, where you would fit.39700:21:31,093 --> 00:21:32,163Where I would fit in.39800:21:32,413 --> 00:21:33,783Right, you did your homework.39900:21:34,643 --> 00:21:35,643I did my homework.40000:21:35,993 --> 00:21:41,233Your experience and that, and that's,that is so important because I think what40100:21:41,453 --> 00:21:47,568it does is it sets one's expectationsappropriate, at an appropriate level.40200:21:47,948 --> 00:21:52,648And it allows you the opportunity toreach those expectations by having a plan.40300:21:52,658 --> 00:21:53,478You had a plan.40400:21:54,368 --> 00:21:54,668Yeah.40500:21:54,668 --> 00:21:54,908And,40600:21:55,268 --> 00:21:58,598John: but, but at the same time, andthis worthy getting, getting punched40700:21:58,598 --> 00:22:01,768in the mouth, everyone has a plan untilyou get punched in the mouth, right?40800:22:01,768 --> 00:22:03,128Until you get punched in the mouth.40900:22:03,128 --> 00:22:04,168Until you get punched in the mouth.41000:22:04,338 --> 00:22:07,528And you will get punched in themouth no matter how prepared you41100:22:07,528 --> 00:22:10,208are, no matter how brilliant you are.41200:22:10,743 --> 00:22:14,183You will get punched in the mouth andrecovering for that, from that is key.41300:22:14,303 --> 00:22:18,863And I would say that's actually oneof the differences I've seen in the U.41400:22:18,863 --> 00:22:19,153S.41500:22:19,183 --> 00:22:21,483versus, you know, parts of Asia.41600:22:21,863 --> 00:22:23,693I can say, we're in the U.41700:22:23,693 --> 00:22:29,743S., we have the SATs invarious parts of Asia.41800:22:30,428 --> 00:22:33,548There's the, the, theuniversity entrance exams.41900:22:34,268 --> 00:22:35,098If in the U.42000:22:35,098 --> 00:22:35,438S.42100:22:35,448 --> 00:22:38,938you don't get perfect scores or thescores that you want in your SATs, you42200:22:38,938 --> 00:22:43,118can go to a community college and you cantransfer into the school of your dreams.42300:22:43,538 --> 00:22:47,428In Asia, if you, you have a oneshot at that, you have one shot.42400:22:47,578 --> 00:22:50,288If you don't make it in,there's fewer avenues.42500:22:50,778 --> 00:22:54,158From from educational standpointto then get into your dream school.42600:22:54,688 --> 00:22:56,848And so I would say that's thebiggest difference where in the U.42700:22:56,848 --> 00:22:57,048S.42800:22:57,068 --> 00:22:59,958we second chances are easier to come by.42900:23:00,418 --> 00:23:04,078So that's, that's one of the biggerdifferences I've seen, but at the same43000:23:04,078 --> 00:23:09,258time, you know, if you're prepared,you know, there's no, it's no fault43100:23:09,268 --> 00:23:10,638of anyone else's except yourself.43200:23:10,758 --> 00:23:12,308And so I would say just.43300:23:12,748 --> 00:23:14,038That's how I live it.43400:23:14,198 --> 00:23:18,008If I, if I know that I'm going to runinto something bad, I know that it was43500:23:18,698 --> 00:23:20,838my fault because I wasn't prepared.43600:23:21,168 --> 00:23:22,538I like to think about it that way.43700:23:22,558 --> 00:23:22,848Right.43800:23:22,898 --> 00:23:25,158And so those are, you know,looking at that, those are43900:23:25,168 --> 00:23:26,388some of the bigger differences.44000:23:26,808 --> 00:23:31,428Aside from the public transportation,which I miss dearly, I, I44100:23:31,428 --> 00:23:32,808am not a fan of driving.44200:23:33,468 --> 00:23:37,858so I like my hour on the bus orthe train where I can read a book.44300:23:37,888 --> 00:23:40,178I can read, you know, Ican listen to your podcast.44400:23:40,228 --> 00:23:43,398I can do something, you know,productive rather than being in a car44500:23:43,398 --> 00:23:47,458for an hour to go 20 kilometers or10 miles and thinking, okay, this is.44600:23:47,923 --> 00:23:48,523This is awful.44700:23:50,693 --> 00:23:52,133Dr William T Choctaw: That is fascinating.44800:23:52,383 --> 00:23:57,683You know, going back to the whole, Ilike your analogy about getting punched44900:23:57,683 --> 00:24:03,883in the way I think about that is I tellmyself that I need to stay relentless,45000:24:04,743 --> 00:24:08,523that bad things are going to happen interms of me not getting what I want,45100:24:09,553 --> 00:24:13,463certainly not getting it when I wantbut if it's important, if it's my45200:24:13,463 --> 00:24:15,563goal, then I need to stay relentless.45300:24:15,563 --> 00:24:20,593And I tell myself no matter what happens,I'm, I'm, I'm moving in that direction.45400:24:21,278 --> 00:24:24,998So it's, I think it's sort ofanticipated again that you may get45500:24:24,998 --> 00:24:26,998punched in the mouth, but that's okay.45600:24:27,198 --> 00:24:30,948You know, you learn from thatand you, you adapt and you move45700:24:30,968 --> 00:24:31,328John: forward.45800:24:32,968 --> 00:24:34,838You know, to echo your thoughts, Dr.45900:24:34,838 --> 00:24:38,028Choctaw, I think it's reallylearning from your mistakes.46000:24:38,798 --> 00:24:41,378And that's, you know, thatlesson I hope we all learn at an46100:24:41,398 --> 00:24:45,038early age, and it's something,something that will never change.46200:24:45,038 --> 00:24:47,478If you can learn from yourmistakes, you will make progression.46300:24:47,548 --> 00:24:50,318One step, you know, two stepsforward, one step back, hey,46400:24:50,318 --> 00:24:51,788that's still one step forward.46500:24:51,818 --> 00:24:52,718So I'll take that.46600:24:53,238 --> 00:24:54,078Dr William T Choctaw: Exactly.46700:24:54,158 --> 00:24:54,818Exactly.46800:24:55,218 --> 00:24:59,018And I think another part of that is justbeing grateful for how you're blessed.46900:24:59,038 --> 00:25:02,558You mentioned earlier about youknow, advice that Father Tony had47000:25:02,568 --> 00:25:05,083given you, that God is sort of Yeah.47100:25:05,273 --> 00:25:11,003Taking care of us and and has a planalso for us and even if our plan doesn't47200:25:11,003 --> 00:25:17,763always work out our plan may not be theonly plan that's where there's Yeah,47300:25:17,763 --> 00:25:21,193John: no and that's you know, that'sthat helps me get through the day just47400:25:21,193 --> 00:25:27,413understanding that you know, there'sthere's We're all on this journey, and47500:25:27,413 --> 00:25:31,233there's going to be off ramps, there'sgoing to be on ramps, but at the end47600:25:31,233 --> 00:25:34,533of the day, you know, our goal is thesame, and the goal is to really live47700:25:34,533 --> 00:25:36,813a fulfilled and healthy life, right?47800:25:36,813 --> 00:25:39,933And I think there's so many waysto do that, it's not linear,47900:25:39,963 --> 00:25:42,743there's not just one path, it canhappen in a lot of different ways.48000:25:43,093 --> 00:25:46,193When I think about this, when Ithought of my career choices, and48100:25:46,193 --> 00:25:50,543seeing you as a podcaster these days,I, I'm just surprised how you talk.48200:25:51,763 --> 00:25:56,383Well, I'm just surprised to see andto see your transformation over the48300:25:56,383 --> 00:26:01,303years, having, you know, as the atyour different stages and seeing that,48400:26:01,803 --> 00:26:05,383you know, for, for me in my head,it's like 10 or 15 years ago, I never48500:26:05,383 --> 00:26:06,993thought that podcasting could be a.48600:26:07,403 --> 00:26:11,303A career choice for many people where Isee I have friends around me now who are48700:26:11,533 --> 00:26:16,243doing the same thing and really doing goodwork and reaching out to a large group of48800:26:16,243 --> 00:26:18,473people and, you know, doing great things.48900:26:18,473 --> 00:26:21,123And who could have thoughtabout this 10, 15 years ago?49000:26:21,163 --> 00:26:21,473Right?49100:26:21,473 --> 00:26:27,603And so the world is constantly changingand we just have to be prepared for it.49200:26:27,603 --> 00:26:32,573If we're prepared or as prepared as wecan be, those punches to the mouth won't49300:26:32,573 --> 00:26:34,123be as painful and you'll get up much49400:26:34,123 --> 00:26:34,633Dr William T Choctaw: faster.49500:26:34,983 --> 00:26:36,343Exactly, exactly.49600:26:36,573 --> 00:26:39,323I, you know, and just to addsome historical perspective, I49700:26:39,323 --> 00:26:40,763first met John when he was in.49800:26:41,243 --> 00:26:43,863Probably in high school,junior high and high school.49900:26:44,173 --> 00:26:51,223And John basically was the individual inour community who helped my wife and I in50000:26:51,223 --> 00:26:54,203our home to upgrade our computer system.50100:26:54,503 --> 00:26:57,153And so if you could imaginethis, this 10 year old.50200:26:57,518 --> 00:27:02,598a computer genius, in our opinion,coming in and saying, you know, Dr.50300:27:02,598 --> 00:27:06,188Choctaw, I'm sorry, but Ican't fix this computer.50400:27:06,968 --> 00:27:12,098You need to, you need to change it,that they no longer make the parts.50500:27:12,708 --> 00:27:15,258You need to just makea decision to upgrade.50600:27:15,548 --> 00:27:20,758So he taught us, my wife and I many,many, over many, many years about50700:27:20,768 --> 00:27:25,218improving our technology, how to takeadvantage of the appropriate technology.50800:27:25,218 --> 00:27:26,778It made our lives much simpler.50900:27:27,048 --> 00:27:30,508So when he looks at me as apodcaster, he's got to say,51000:27:30,518 --> 00:27:32,308you know, that really is a guy.51100:27:35,568 --> 00:27:37,578It's, it's amazing.51200:27:38,388 --> 00:27:42,028This guy and then makehim a podcast at 76.51300:27:42,028 --> 00:27:42,778Oh my lord.51400:27:43,218 --> 00:27:48,088That's just that's just not supposed tohappen and so and we we talk about you51500:27:48,088 --> 00:27:53,938constantly lorraine and i'm about how youhelped us And and that's why we take such51600:27:53,978 --> 00:27:59,148pride In what you have done, you know,we look at you as one of our children.51700:27:59,158 --> 00:28:04,683I know you're the son of hanshiand and and But, but we, we, we,51800:28:04,683 --> 00:28:08,493we feel blessed that, that, thatyou've been a part of our life.51900:28:08,503 --> 00:28:13,213Thanks, thanks to your parents for,for loaning you to us to help us out.52000:28:13,453 --> 00:28:15,283And then to see you do so well.52100:28:15,323 --> 00:28:20,473And, and, and, and the whole idea of notbeing linear, I think is just brilliant.52200:28:20,743 --> 00:28:23,423Because I think that's wherea lot of people get stuck.52300:28:23,853 --> 00:28:24,973Young and old.52400:28:25,023 --> 00:28:27,533I think a lot of times we olderpeople said, no, no, no, you got52500:28:27,533 --> 00:28:30,973to go this straight line and oneto two to three to four to five.52600:28:31,403 --> 00:28:34,743And some people said, no,I go one to three to five.52700:28:35,243 --> 00:28:37,113You know, I go every other number.52800:28:37,373 --> 00:28:41,813And I think just recognizing thatthere is a diversity of approach.52900:28:42,183 --> 00:28:43,823And you're exemplary of that.53000:28:43,873 --> 00:28:45,653And, and, and how that could53100:28:45,653 --> 00:28:45,943John: work.53200:28:47,078 --> 00:28:50,618Well, thank you for the kind wordsthat it's certainly I've I've been53300:28:50,618 --> 00:28:53,948blessed to have you in my life aswell as I remember our trips to Mexico53400:28:55,048 --> 00:29:01,978for the mission and learning thatthere's more more to life than that.53500:29:02,413 --> 00:29:08,003Chase of whatever you want to take sometime off and and I remember this was when53600:29:08,003 --> 00:29:12,683you were you've had your you had yourmultiple practices, your civil service.53700:29:12,913 --> 00:29:13,973Yeah, it's still on the weekend.53800:29:13,983 --> 00:29:17,603We had an opportunity to go toMexico and bring, you know, help the53900:29:17,673 --> 00:29:19,383help the folks there and it just.54000:29:20,293 --> 00:29:24,233Making the most of your time, if youcan do it, why couldn't I do it, right?54100:29:24,233 --> 00:29:25,983And that was lessons thatyou taught me at a young54200:29:25,983 --> 00:29:26,273Dr William T Choctaw: age.54300:29:26,733 --> 00:29:27,503Oh, thank you.54400:29:27,763 --> 00:29:32,673And I always remember what thewhat the mother used to tell us54500:29:32,673 --> 00:29:35,453when we would go to Mexico to help.54600:29:35,483 --> 00:29:39,383She would say, you know, you comehere you know, thinking that you,54700:29:39,383 --> 00:29:41,433you, you come here to help us.54800:29:42,108 --> 00:29:47,278But you actually come here for us tohelp you, and I, I never forgot that54900:29:47,278 --> 00:29:52,088because all of us, whenever we wouldleave, we were all exhilarated and we55000:29:52,108 --> 00:29:57,058felt good and that even though we weregiving, we were also receiving, and55100:29:57,058 --> 00:30:00,278we were probably receiving much morethan, than, than we gave, and I never55200:30:00,278 --> 00:30:05,138forgot that that life is about being ofservice to others, that that servitude55300:30:05,588 --> 00:30:10,463is extremely important because, ineffect, that reflexly makes us better.55400:30:10,943 --> 00:30:13,383and happier and more whole and everything.55500:30:13,993 --> 00:30:17,663Well, I, I want to be respectfulof your time and I, I'm just55600:30:17,663 --> 00:30:22,013extraordinarily grateful that, that,that you've come to talk with us.55700:30:22,223 --> 00:30:26,193In any words of wisdom that you wouldlike to leave with our audience?55800:30:26,633 --> 00:30:28,373Especially the youngpeople in our audience.55900:30:29,543 --> 00:30:30,213John: Sure thing.56000:30:30,273 --> 00:30:31,553Just be prepared.56100:30:32,473 --> 00:30:34,043Be prepared for the next day.56200:30:34,433 --> 00:30:35,663Do put in the work today.56300:30:36,743 --> 00:30:38,353And they'll be better tomorrows.56400:30:38,353 --> 00:30:39,273I'll promise you that.56500:30:39,283 --> 00:30:40,773We've been through, we've seen so much.56600:30:41,463 --> 00:30:45,493I know how it is to be very, very down,but I also know how it is where, hey,56700:30:45,493 --> 00:30:49,943you know what, even when I'm down, tryto get that energy, put it into work56800:30:49,943 --> 00:30:51,303today, and tomorrow will be better.56900:30:51,303 --> 00:30:54,273And, you know, I've facedthat, and I think that's key.57000:30:55,083 --> 00:30:55,273Keep57100:30:55,273 --> 00:30:55,723Dr William T Choctaw: on getting up.57200:30:56,903 --> 00:30:57,493Absolutely.57300:30:57,913 --> 00:30:59,403I completely agree with that.57400:30:59,433 --> 00:31:04,713And again, thank you, John, somuch for meeting with us today57500:31:04,903 --> 00:31:06,853and sharing your words of wisdom.57600:31:07,293 --> 00:31:08,703Keep doing what you're doing.57700:31:08,713 --> 00:31:12,143You know, I think, you know, Godhas a plan and you're a part of it.57800:31:12,983 --> 00:31:16,583And I think your work andyour life is exemplary.57900:31:17,463 --> 00:31:21,293aNd so with that we're going tolet you go and say, God bless.58000:31:22,203 --> 00:31:22,413Thank you.58100:31:22,413 --> 00:31:24,213Take care.