Sept. 25, 2023

Demystifying COVID-19: Dr. Choctaw’s Deep Dive into mRNA Vaccines and the Future of Nasal Spray Immunizations

Demystifying COVID-19: Dr. Choctaw’s Deep Dive into mRNA Vaccines and the Future of Nasal Spray Immunizations

Get set to revolutionize your understanding of COVID-19 vaccines, as we go under the microscope with Dr. William T. Choctaw, a seasoned surgeon with five decades of experience. Our enlightening tête-à-tête will offer you a deep dive into the innovati...

Get set to revolutionize your understanding of COVID-19 vaccines, as we go under the microscope with Dr. William T. Choctaw, a seasoned surgeon with five decades of experience. Our enlightening tête-à-tête will offer you a deep dive into the innovative world of mRNA vaccines, their mechanism, and its potential to change the face of vaccine pharmacology. Not just that, we'll also unravel the differences between influenza and COVID-19 vaccines, and how our body’s cells memorize and react.

Ever imagined a vaccine without needles? Yes, you heard it right. Together, we will explore the promising future of nasal spray vaccines and their ease of administration, especially beneficial for those needle-wary among us. Plus, we're also decoding the crucial differences between a common cold and flu, and why recognizing these symptoms can make a world of difference. The pivotal role of preventive measures - masking, distancing, and hand washing - is also on our list. So, tune in for this riveting discussion, as we dissect the science behind vaccines, their preventive power, and the groundbreaking advancements in the field of COVID-19 vaccination.

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The Host, Dr. William Choctaw; MD, JD, is a healthcare leadership expert, possessing a Medical Doctorate from the Yale University School of Medicine, and a Jurist Doctorate from Western University. Over a span of 50 years practicing medicine, he has served as Chief of Staff, Chief of Surgery, and as a member of the medical executive committee at Citrus Valley Medical Center over a 10 year period. Also, while practicing at Citrus Valley Medical Center, he served as Chief Transformation Officer, (developed a Robust Process Improvement/Lean Six Sigma program). Dr. Choctaw lectures nationally and internationally on medical leadership issues for hospital staffs, executives, and managers. He served as a Physician Surveyor on the Joint Commission. He's the author of 2 books, "Medical Malpractice: A Physician's Guide to the Law" and "Transforming the Patient Experience: A New Paradigm for Hospital and Physician Leadership, published by the Springer Publishing Co. He’s the President of Choctaw Medical Group, Inc., a clinical practice and medical legal consulting firm for medical staff executives, physician leaders, and hospitals.

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100:00:00,821 --> 00:00:03,490Speaker 1: Coming up on this episode of the HWWP. 200:00:04,682 --> 00:00:09,960Speaker 2: There is no vaccine that can kill the virus directly300:00:09,960 --> 00:00:13,871, and what I mean by that is that's not how vaccines operate.400:00:13,871 --> 00:00:16,527They don't go in and kill the virus or kill the bacteria or 500:00:16,568 --> 00:00:16,910whatever. 600:00:17,201 --> 00:00:20,196Speaker 1: This podcast episode is sponsored by Choctaw Medical 700:00:20,216 --> 00:00:23,737Group Incorporated. Also sponsored by Bernie Brown 800:00:23,859 --> 00:00:27,553Esquire, author of a Prosecutor's Analysis of 900:00:27,655 --> 00:00:30,628Personal Supernatural Experiences. A collection of 1000:00:30,708 --> 00:00:34,969fascinating stories awaiting your verdict Fact, fiction, 1100:00:35,491 --> 00:00:39,456fabrication or fantasy, available in paperback and 1200:00:39,476 --> 00:00:46,764digital formats. Go to THWWPcom to get your copy. Welcome to the1300:00:46,764 --> 00:00:49,390Healthy, wealthy and Wise podcast with Dr William T 1400:00:49,450 --> 00:00:53,496Choctaw, mdjd, where the doctor helps you unlock your full 1500:00:53,536 --> 00:00:57,594potential by equipping you with tools and knowledge in the areas1600:00:57,594 --> 00:01:01,435of health, wealth and wisdom, anchored in his experience as a 1700:01:01,536 --> 00:01:04,718business executive, a physician surveyor for the Joint 1800:01:04,737 --> 00:01:09,457Commission, a former mayor and over 50 years of experience as a1900:01:09,457 --> 00:01:13,581general surgeon. You've got questions, he's got answers, so 2000:01:13,621 --> 00:01:17,980let's get started. Here's Dr William T Choctaw, mdjd. 2100:01:19,103 --> 00:01:22,626Speaker 2: Good morning. I'm Dr William T Choctaw and I will be 2200:01:22,668 --> 00:01:25,986your host today. Welcome to the Healthy, wealthy and Wise 2300:01:26,106 --> 00:01:29,989podcast. Each month, we strive to provide you, our listeners, 2400:01:30,120 --> 00:01:33,320with mental, physical and spiritual strength by giving 2500:01:33,501 --> 00:01:38,480actionable advice and tips, guidance and information to help2600:01:38,480 --> 00:01:42,430you achieve your own personal, professional and spiritual goals2700:01:42,430 --> 00:01:47,510. We consider the health of the mind, body and spirit paramount,2800:01:47,510 --> 00:01:52,271as a single unit that can provide a cumulative strength 2900:01:53,000 --> 00:01:56,890greater than the individual parts to strengthen the whole 3000:01:56,950 --> 00:02:02,408person. So today, sit back and enjoy and come along on a very 3100:02:02,468 --> 00:02:07,442exciting journey with us. Today,we're going to be talking about3200:02:07,442 --> 00:02:14,205our COVID-19 spray vaccines coming soon. Our COVID-19 spray 3300:02:14,265 --> 00:02:19,818vaccines coming soon. As always,we like to start off with my 3400:02:19,838 --> 00:02:25,231beliefs. I believe life is aboutbeing of service to others. I 3500:02:25,272 --> 00:02:28,859believe knowledge is power. I believe leaders can change the 3600:02:28,878 --> 00:02:32,792world. We like to give you an outline. This basically tells 3700:02:32,812 --> 00:02:35,771you what we're going to talk about and, as importantly, it'll3800:02:35,771 --> 00:02:38,769let you know when we're just about done. You know you're very3900:02:38,769 --> 00:02:43,145, very busy people with a lot onyour plate, and so we are very 4000:02:43,205 --> 00:02:48,122grateful and are pleased and humbled that you've chosen to 4100:02:48,163 --> 00:02:51,602spend a few minutes of your valuable time with us. We're 4200:02:51,622 --> 00:02:54,830going to talk about the new COVID vaccine that's coming soon4300:02:54,830 --> 00:02:58,905and that may already be available. We're going to talk 4400:02:58,944 --> 00:03:03,524about the influenza versus COVIDvaccines and how they differ 4500:03:03,944 --> 00:03:08,044both in terms of type, quality and methodology. We'll talk 4600:03:08,085 --> 00:03:13,104about messenger RNA and how thisnovel approach to the COVID 4700:03:13,145 --> 00:03:20,409vaccine has changed forever vaccine pharmacology going 4800:03:20,469 --> 00:03:24,735forward. And we'll talk some about prevention in terms of 4900:03:24,794 --> 00:03:30,942helping you to stay safe. Well, we know that every year now we 5000:03:31,042 --> 00:03:37,530have what we call a tri-endemic influenza, and what that means 5100:03:37,631 --> 00:03:41,187is we have a tri-endemic. We have three different types of 5200:03:41,227 --> 00:03:46,030viruses that may very well causeinfection in any one of us in 5300:03:46,169 --> 00:03:50,689any given year. One is the respiratory sensitional virus, 5400:03:51,420 --> 00:03:54,389which does not affect a lot of people most of the young but 5500:03:54,430 --> 00:03:59,341does occur. The influenza virus,which is the most common, and 5600:03:59,381 --> 00:04:04,605then, of course, the coronavirus, the COVID-19 virus, and so 5700:04:04,626 --> 00:04:08,086we're going to look at how individuals can protect 5800:04:08,127 --> 00:04:12,663themselves, and we're going to primarily focus on the flu 5900:04:13,145 --> 00:04:17,942influenza virus and the COVID-19influenza virus. Just remember 6000:04:18,425 --> 00:04:22,266the basics of what works for allof those is masking, wearing 6100:04:22,305 --> 00:04:26,809mask distance at least six feet apart if possible, and hand 6200:04:26,829 --> 00:04:31,324washing. Those basics have not changed and please keep that in 6300:04:31,365 --> 00:04:35,862mind. Survival from any type of viral infection, certainly in a 6400:04:35,922 --> 00:04:40,661pandemic, depends on prevention and treatment. Prevention is 6500:04:40,742 --> 00:04:44,362important to hopefully prevent others from getting it or 6600:04:44,403 --> 00:04:49,324preventing the individual from getting it again. Treatment is 6700:04:49,504 --> 00:04:53,041for you to get over the illness that you have. But it's 6800:04:53,081 --> 00:04:58,247important to keep in mind that vaccines primarily deal with 6900:04:58,327 --> 00:05:06,387prevention. The way I like to think about it is that it's a 7000:05:06,447 --> 00:05:13,189preventive prevention. There is no vaccine that can kill the 7100:05:13,250 --> 00:05:17,968virus directly. What I mean by that is that's not how vaccines 7200:05:18,089 --> 00:05:20,406operate. They don't go in and kill the virus or kill the 7300:05:20,425 --> 00:05:25,300bacteria or whatever. Basically,what they do, which is 7400:05:25,360 --> 00:05:30,487ingenious, is that they go in, the vaccines stimulate the body 7500:05:31,067 --> 00:05:37,346to produce antibodies or its ownmechanism and the cells in the 7600:05:37,386 --> 00:05:41,605body basically kill the vaccine.Again, vaccines deal primarily 7700:05:41,646 --> 00:05:44,483with prevention and not treatment. We'll talk about 7800:05:44,502 --> 00:05:47,985treatment a bit later on in thisdiscussion, but as we talk 7900:05:48,024 --> 00:05:51,983about vaccines, we're talking about prevention. Administration8000:05:51,983 --> 00:05:55,142of the vaccines basically are two ways. We're talking about 8100:05:55,202 --> 00:06:00,288flu and COVID vaccines. Those two ways are needle with an 8200:06:00,329 --> 00:06:05,149injection in the arm, intramuscularly, and nasal spray8300:06:05,149 --> 00:06:08,240. We're going to look at for this presentation. We're going 8400:06:08,261 --> 00:06:12,901to look at the delivery mechanism for vaccines Needle, 8500:06:12,922 --> 00:06:17,423the more traditional approach, or nasal spray we're primarily 8600:06:17,463 --> 00:06:21,543going to look at the regular fluthat occurs every year in 8700:06:21,682 --> 00:06:25,762influenza and COVID-19, which has been with us for 8800:06:25,783 --> 00:06:29,685approximately the last four years. Let's start with the flu 8900:06:29,939 --> 00:06:33,204Now. We're all familiar with theflu. We've all had it over the 9000:06:33,245 --> 00:06:38,302last many, many years. But let'sstart even more basic. Before 9100:06:38,362 --> 00:06:42,648you get the flu, many of us get what we call COLS, c-o-l-d. 9200:06:45,365 --> 00:06:48,983What's the difference between a cold and the flu? Well, with the9300:06:48,983 --> 00:06:52,944cold, you have mild respiratorysymptoms. You may have mild 9400:06:53,004 --> 00:06:59,846fatigue. Onset tends to be gradual. You may have some 9500:06:59,947 --> 00:07:04,064headache or some nasal discomfort. With the flu, on the9600:07:04,064 --> 00:07:07,906other hand, you take all those things and you've doubled them 9700:07:07,966 --> 00:07:11,927by five to 10 times. In essence,the way I like to think about 9800:07:11,968 --> 00:07:18,966it, a fluenza is a very, very, very serious cold. A fluenza is 9900:07:19,007 --> 00:07:23,607a very, very serious cold. Influencers are associated with 10000:07:23,927 --> 00:07:29,209severe symptoms, oftentimes muscle body aches throughout the10100:07:29,209 --> 00:07:35,004body, usually with a sudden onset, and can involve a fever, 10200:07:35,144 --> 00:07:40,869exhaustion or loss of appetite. So, cold symptoms, flu symptoms 10300:07:41,759 --> 00:07:46,127let's go a little deeper Flu symptoms and let's compare them 10400:07:47,560 --> 00:07:53,466to what we're talking about withCOVID-19, which clearly can get10500:07:53,466 --> 00:07:58,548into respiratory difficulties, shortness of breath, inability 10600:07:58,588 --> 00:08:02,528to breathe and all the other problems that can be associated 10700:08:02,588 --> 00:08:06,629with that. So when we look at, okay, how do we prevent this 10800:08:06,689 --> 00:08:11,942from happening? So what is our basic prevention mechanism? Well10900:08:11,942 --> 00:08:17,992, those mechanisms tend to be vaccinations and with the 11000:08:18,031 --> 00:08:21,353traditional injection, needle injection, we have to go to a 11100:08:21,392 --> 00:08:26,834facility, a medical type facility, either inpatient or 11200:08:26,894 --> 00:08:32,192outpatient, and they inject us with the medication With the 11300:08:32,292 --> 00:08:38,894nasal spray. You can do it at home. So this would be a huge 11400:08:39,616 --> 00:08:46,133lift for individuals who have toget vaccinations for COVID. So 11500:08:46,173 --> 00:08:49,214with the nasal spray, basically we're talking about no needles, 11600:08:49,534 --> 00:08:55,179basically no pain. That's reallyanother step forward in this 11700:08:55,259 --> 00:09:00,052whole march toward providing better care for all of us. So 11800:09:00,131 --> 00:09:06,751far in this country there's onlyone nasal spray vaccine that's 11900:09:06,792 --> 00:09:11,091been approved by the FDA, the Federal Drug Administration, and12000:09:11,091 --> 00:09:14,854that's for the influenza, that's for the flu. Presently, 12100:09:15,034 --> 00:09:18,993as of today and we're in September right now there is no 12200:09:19,092 --> 00:09:25,333known FDA-approved nasal spray vaccine for COVID. But those are12300:09:25,333 --> 00:09:28,413coming and we'll talk about that a bit later. But let's look12400:09:28,413 --> 00:09:31,452at the flu miss and what have we learned? Well, flu miss 12500:09:31,472 --> 00:09:36,076contains a weak and strain of the virus, of the flu virus, 12600:09:37,511 --> 00:09:41,611that's made into a spray that's injected into the nose, sprayed 12700:09:41,652 --> 00:09:44,937into the nose. That then triggers the nose and the body's12800:09:44,937 --> 00:09:49,995response to improve its immune system and build antibodies to 12900:09:50,054 --> 00:09:53,532stop us from getting the flu. Let me say that again Flu miss 13000:09:54,173 --> 00:09:59,335is a nasal spray vaccine for theflu, only influenza that is 13100:09:59,414 --> 00:10:03,596injected into the nose, that triggers an immune response in 13200:10:03,615 --> 00:10:08,931the nose and the body to build antibodies that prevents us from13300:10:08,931 --> 00:10:13,255getting the flu again or that particular strain of the flu. 13400:10:14,671 --> 00:10:17,974Contraindications to the flu miss, this nasal spray vaccine 13500:10:18,014 --> 00:10:22,057for the flu only one contraindication is pregnant 13600:10:22,076 --> 00:10:26,333women, and part of that reason obviously may be that the fact 13700:10:26,374 --> 00:10:30,815that you are injecting an old virus, a dead virus or something13800:10:30,815 --> 00:10:35,052that may create problems for pregnant women. And the second 13900:10:35,734 --> 00:10:40,254is in patients who have an immune system, an immune 14000:10:40,355 --> 00:10:44,331protection system, that there's always a risk, obviously, if 14100:10:44,351 --> 00:10:46,692you're going to inject somethingin them, even though it may be 14200:10:46,753 --> 00:10:51,791weakened, but if they have a weakened system themselves, that14300:10:51,791 --> 00:10:56,035may significantly increase their risk. So we've talked 14400:10:56,076 --> 00:11:01,712about the mechanism, the vehiclefor vaccination. First with the14500:11:01,712 --> 00:11:08,130flu, only one that has a spray.Now let's go to COVID. One of 14600:11:08,150 --> 00:11:11,653the things that you may not haverecognized a few years ago a 14700:11:11,673 --> 00:11:15,154couple of years ago, basically, when the vaccines first came out14800:11:15,154 --> 00:11:20,518with COVID is that they came about with the use of a novel 14900:11:20,599 --> 00:11:25,619new approach, and this was what's called the messenger RNA 15000:11:25,679 --> 00:11:30,113approach, and so let's take a closer look at that. Why is that15100:11:30,113 --> 00:11:34,591such a big deal? One of the reasons it's a big deal is that 15200:11:34,611 --> 00:11:38,931vaccines used to take years to actually come online. It took 15300:11:39,032 --> 00:11:42,331years and, needless to say, we were all in a crisis talking 15400:11:42,350 --> 00:11:45,995about the world now, the world pandemic and so it was important15500:11:45,995 --> 00:11:49,909to get those vaccines and get vaccines as fast as possible. So15600:11:49,909 --> 00:11:53,750you had pharmaceutical and medical facilities working 15700:11:53,791 --> 00:11:57,693around the country, around the world, to come up with a safe 15800:11:57,995 --> 00:12:03,452and effective vaccine to save people's lives, and this was 15900:12:03,533 --> 00:12:08,269done. This was done and it was done because it was decided to 16000:12:08,451 --> 00:12:11,900use this new approach that, instead of the traditional way 16100:12:12,190 --> 00:12:18,991of using old virus or dead virusin small amounts to stimulate 16200:12:20,375 --> 00:12:24,534new antibiotic production, it was decided to use just a 16300:12:24,615 --> 00:12:30,034molecule of messenger RNA, whichhad nothing to do with the 16400:12:30,054 --> 00:12:36,610virus, just a molecule messengerRNA. Put that into a cell and 16500:12:36,649 --> 00:12:42,370then take that information that has been made in the cell and 16600:12:42,530 --> 00:12:46,812use that to stimulate the immunesystem. One of the things that 16700:12:46,852 --> 00:12:53,580this did, or confirm, is that our cells have memory. Think 16800:12:53,639 --> 00:12:58,331about that Our cells, cells in our body have memory. Now, we're16900:12:58,331 --> 00:13:01,995made up of billions of cells, billions and billions of cells, 17000:13:02,970 --> 00:13:07,895but each one of them has memory that if you inject something 17100:13:08,037 --> 00:13:15,090into them directly or indirectly, as in the case with mRNA, that17200:13:15,090 --> 00:13:19,850the cell can remember what message you left for them and 17300:13:19,889 --> 00:13:23,474can then actually act accordingly if they're invaded a17400:13:23,474 --> 00:13:24,216second time. 17500:13:25,573 --> 00:13:28,533Speaker 1: This podcast episode is sponsored by Choctaw Medical 17600:13:28,572 --> 00:13:32,096Group Incorporated. Also sponsored by Bernie Brown 17700:13:32,236 --> 00:13:35,909Esquire, author of a Prosecutor's Analysis of 17800:13:36,010 --> 00:13:38,971Personal Supernatural Experiences. A collection of 17900:13:39,052 --> 00:13:43,333fascinating stories awaiting your verdict Fact, fiction, 18000:13:43,835 --> 00:13:48,076fabrication or fantasy, available in paperback and 18100:13:48,115 --> 00:13:54,932digital formats. Go to THWWPcom to get your copy, absolutely 18200:13:54,972 --> 00:13:55,534extraordinary. 18300:13:56,230 --> 00:13:58,750Speaker 2: So how does this mRNAstuff really work? What the 18400:13:58,770 --> 00:14:02,573coronavirus is like is one of those calls one of the causes of18500:14:02,573 --> 00:14:07,472COVID-19 and was named for thiscrown-like spike on the surface18600:14:07,472 --> 00:14:10,895called spike proteins. These are spikes that are on the virus18700:14:10,895 --> 00:14:13,870itself and if you've ever seen pictures of the virus, it's like18800:14:13,870 --> 00:14:17,051a ball with a lot of little spiky things on it. Well, that's18900:14:17,051 --> 00:14:21,456important because there's thoselittle spiky things that the 19000:14:22,178 --> 00:14:28,947vaccine can attack and does attack and ends up taking part 19100:14:28,988 --> 00:14:35,154of that material with mRNA. Put it into a normal cell and have 19200:14:35,216 --> 00:14:41,323that cell replicate that spiky protein type of substance and 19300:14:41,403 --> 00:14:44,735put it into the cell's memory sothat the cell can then protect 19400:14:44,796 --> 00:14:50,326itself in future attacks. What'sdifferent about, again, this 19500:14:50,447 --> 00:14:54,289mRNA approach as compared to thetraditional approach, is that 19600:14:55,091 --> 00:14:59,423this new approach does not contain any virus, small or 19700:14:59,482 --> 00:15:06,312large. This is completely novel or different from any virus. And19800:15:06,312 --> 00:15:10,346the second thing is when the body responds. It can. Sometimes19900:15:10,346 --> 00:15:14,775you may have like a mild reaction to the vaccine, just 20000:15:14,816 --> 00:15:18,942like you normally do with flu vaccine, but usually it's very 20100:15:18,981 --> 00:15:22,519mild a little fever, maybe a little headache, a few tears, 20200:15:23,413 --> 00:15:27,557but usually that goes away. But what I want you to remember is 20300:15:27,830 --> 00:15:31,293number one. Yourselves have memory. Number two I believe 20400:15:31,654 --> 00:15:35,857that the work of the scientists and doctors and epidemiologists 20500:15:35,918 --> 00:15:40,769and others that come up with this new mRNA process for 20600:15:40,809 --> 00:15:44,836vaccination for the coronavirus is just absolutely extraordinary20700:15:44,836 --> 00:15:48,852. And so if we drill down a little more about this mRNA 20800:15:48,893 --> 00:15:53,657process, we notice that again, when the mRNA, messenger RNA 20900:15:53,850 --> 00:15:58,274that's what mRNA stands for goesinto the cell, it does not go 21000:15:58,354 --> 00:16:03,115into nucleus. Now let's back up.Let's imagine that a cell is 21100:16:03,154 --> 00:16:06,850like an egg. The center part of the egg is the yolk, that's the 21200:16:06,910 --> 00:16:09,956yellow part. What's around the egg? Let's see if you fry it. 21300:16:10,889 --> 00:16:13,392What's around the egg is white material. We'll call that 21400:16:13,452 --> 00:16:17,217cytoplasm. And then, of course, the egg is normally in a shell 21500:16:18,230 --> 00:16:24,798before you crack it and put it in a pan. The messenger RNA does21600:16:24,798 --> 00:16:30,753not go into the yolk part of the egg. It stays in the white 21700:16:30,812 --> 00:16:34,149part around the center of the egg. Why is that important? The 21800:16:34,210 --> 00:16:38,979center of the egg, the yolk, thenucleus is where the DNA is. 21900:16:39,630 --> 00:16:42,452That's where the message for life, that's where the 22000:16:42,493 --> 00:16:48,321distinction between each of us is developed and recorded. 22100:16:48,629 --> 00:16:52,798That's in the nucleus. This messenger RNA does this work in 22200:16:52,817 --> 00:16:56,097the periphery, in the white partsurrounding the yellow yolk, 22300:16:57,030 --> 00:17:00,153and that's where it does its work. That's where it replicates22400:17:00,153 --> 00:17:06,230and transcribes this foreign protein called coronavirus and 22500:17:06,592 --> 00:17:10,615strengthens the cell for future battle. At Yale University, at 22600:17:10,654 --> 00:17:14,876the School of Engineering and Applied Science, professor Mark 22700:17:15,057 --> 00:17:21,000Saltzman and others have been working on an mRNA, but as a 22800:17:21,663 --> 00:17:25,479nasal spray, instead of getting the injections for your vaccine 22900:17:27,089 --> 00:17:31,332based on mRNA. They, along with many others, I might add, there 23000:17:31,352 --> 00:17:35,213are other labs around the country, around the world, that 23100:17:35,233 --> 00:17:39,291are working on this and are working on a spray that allows 23200:17:39,332 --> 00:17:41,830you the same degree of protection using the same 23300:17:41,891 --> 00:17:49,219process, the mRNA process and basically the mRNA is able to 23400:17:51,844 --> 00:17:57,442attack this spiked part of the virus replicated within the cell23500:17:57,442 --> 00:18:02,760in the cytoplasm, not in the nucleus and then allow that cell23600:18:02,760 --> 00:18:05,863to then to be able to create its own antibodies, which are 23700:18:05,883 --> 00:18:11,239like foot soldiers that fight infection of any type. The idea 23800:18:11,278 --> 00:18:16,020of a nasal spray is very good and is attractive because it is 23900:18:16,261 --> 00:18:19,780injected directly into the nose,which is where the virus begins24000:18:19,780 --> 00:18:23,878. We're certainly where it does most of its damage. It just 24100:18:23,939 --> 00:18:27,102makes sense that if you can takesomething and you put it where 24200:18:27,342 --> 00:18:31,178most of the virus lives or is going to be, that allows it to 24300:18:31,218 --> 00:18:37,483be even more effective. Keep in mind it's through the nose and 24400:18:37,503 --> 00:18:45,383the mouth, when we cough, sneeze, breathe, yell, sing, etc. Is 24500:18:45,403 --> 00:18:49,461how we spread the virus. There are many labs around the world 24600:18:49,923 --> 00:18:53,162that are working on nasal spraysas a vaccine for the 24700:18:53,201 --> 00:18:59,260Coronavirus of COVID-19. The labin India, the codeogenics lab 24800:18:59,300 --> 00:19:03,557in the US University of Hong Kong lab in China and our own 24900:19:03,616 --> 00:19:07,896National Institute of Health here in the United States. One 25000:19:07,936 --> 00:19:11,298of the things that's very uniqueabout this mRNA approach is 25100:19:11,338 --> 00:19:19,227that the package or the deliverysystem of this particular virus25200:19:19,227 --> 00:19:24,934, this particular spray, and theinformation in this spray, the 25300:19:25,035 --> 00:19:31,395mRNA, is encased in a nano-particle delivery system. I25400:19:31,395 --> 00:19:34,981know that's quite a bit, but nano means something that's real25500:19:34,981 --> 00:19:38,903, real small. It's a special delivery system that prevents 25600:19:39,536 --> 00:19:43,654the particle from being injured or destroyed by the body Because25700:19:43,654 --> 00:19:46,183, remember, the body does not like any foreign invasion. 25800:19:47,297 --> 00:19:50,220Anything comes into the body, the antibodies are going to be 25900:19:50,319 --> 00:19:53,417on alert and they're going to goafter it. You have to couch it 26000:19:53,519 --> 00:19:58,137in a way that it can escape and slip through those normal 26100:19:58,178 --> 00:20:02,557defenses of the body so that it can be delivered into the areas 26200:20:02,616 --> 00:20:05,704of the lung and parts of the respiratory system that would 26300:20:05,744 --> 00:20:10,663then allow it to be in place to stimulate those same antibodies 26400:20:11,163 --> 00:20:14,960to fight future invaders, particularly coronavirus 26500:20:15,020 --> 00:20:18,582invaders. Transcription is an important part of what the 26600:20:18,622 --> 00:20:22,577messenger RNA does, just very, very quickly. Transcription just26700:20:22,577 --> 00:20:27,583means it copies. It's able to copy information from this 26800:20:28,684 --> 00:20:33,565coronavirus, give it to the celloutside of the nucleus of the 26900:20:33,625 --> 00:20:38,442cell and allow the body to produce the same information and27000:20:38,442 --> 00:20:42,298create antibodies to that information. A quick word about 27100:20:42,338 --> 00:20:45,279the most recent variant, the most recent variants name is 27200:20:45,460 --> 00:20:52,278ERIS. It is different from othercoronavirus strains in that it 27300:20:52,378 --> 00:20:56,057is causing most of the new strains of coronavirus that 27400:20:56,117 --> 00:20:59,938we're now seeing, certainly in this country, since August. 27500:21:00,038 --> 00:21:05,358We're now in the month of September, but the good news 27600:21:05,419 --> 00:21:07,924about it, though, is that it does not appear to be that 27700:21:08,025 --> 00:21:11,615different from previous strains.Why is that important? That's 27800:21:11,675 --> 00:21:15,944good news, because it means thatthe vaccines that are based on 27900:21:16,005 --> 00:21:21,218last year's virus should be as effective, if not more effective28000:21:21,218 --> 00:21:26,147, against the upcoming virus that we'll see, mostly in 2024. 28100:21:27,699 --> 00:21:30,665Remember, when you take the vaccine in October or so 28200:21:30,954 --> 00:21:36,643September, october, November thevaccine is effective and it 28300:21:36,742 --> 00:21:40,861peaks three months later. You'retaking the vaccine during the 28400:21:40,921 --> 00:21:45,980fall to protect you for the virus that we expect to arrive 28500:21:46,340 --> 00:21:52,799January, february and March. Theother thing about ERIS, the new28600:21:52,799 --> 00:21:57,013variant, and this variant is a sub-variant of the Omicron 28700:21:57,034 --> 00:21:59,501variant. I'm sure some of you remember the Omicron variant a 28800:21:59,541 --> 00:22:02,836couple of years ago. It was the big, big change. This is a 28900:22:02,897 --> 00:22:05,880sub-variant of that, but again it does not appear to be too 29000:22:05,980 --> 00:22:10,679different from the Omicron. Consequently, we should be in 29100:22:10,739 --> 00:22:15,968good shape, hopefully with the vaccines that we come up with 29200:22:16,669 --> 00:22:19,656this year. The latter part of this year, I'm sure you remember29300:22:19,656 --> 00:22:24,476the basic symptoms of COVID-19,fever, fatigue and cough. It 29400:22:24,516 --> 00:22:27,396starts off with the respiratory type symptoms, but it is clearly29500:22:27,396 --> 00:22:33,300not limited to the respiratory area. It can cause diarrhea, 29600:22:33,580 --> 00:22:39,117gastrointestinal problems, abdominal pain, etc. Depending 29700:22:39,198 --> 00:22:42,659on the stage of the disease. Obviously, one of the reasons 29800:22:42,759 --> 00:22:46,577why it is so devastating is thatit depends on what your 29900:22:46,637 --> 00:22:51,403preexisting medical condition is. If you have ongoing medical 30000:22:51,442 --> 00:22:54,142problems, and this usually will occur in those of us who are 30100:22:54,182 --> 00:22:57,823getting older, then that makes obviously the virus even more 30200:22:57,883 --> 00:23:02,556dangerous and makes treatment even more important. Speaking of30300:23:02,556 --> 00:23:06,605treatment, again, leaving asidethe prevention treatment, 30400:23:06,644 --> 00:23:11,222specifically treatment like Paxovid, which is a medication 30500:23:11,262 --> 00:23:15,821you can take as an outpatient, or Redemzavir, which is an IV 30600:23:15,902 --> 00:23:18,836medication that you can take also as an outpatient, have been30700:23:18,836 --> 00:23:22,884quite effective in treating thesymptoms of COVID if given 30800:23:23,104 --> 00:23:27,480early and inappropriately. We'rein pretty good shape, but we 30900:23:27,519 --> 00:23:33,602want to stay ahead of the curve and kill or destroy this scourge31000:23:33,602 --> 00:23:38,457before it takes more beautiful lives away from us. One of the 31100:23:38,497 --> 00:23:42,391things to keep in mind is that COVID does more than just affect31200:23:42,391 --> 00:23:46,561the physical. There's been a huge emotional toll, both on 31300:23:46,602 --> 00:23:49,788patients and on caregivers, and on family members and friends. 31400:23:51,237 --> 00:23:55,164And remember, as I like to say, the mind, the body and the 31500:23:55,244 --> 00:23:59,160spirit are all connected and youcannot affect one part of that 31600:23:59,220 --> 00:24:03,056triangle without affecting all parts of that triangle. And so 31700:24:03,115 --> 00:24:07,063keep that in mind and be supportive and thoughtful of 31800:24:07,143 --> 00:24:09,866individuals who are going through stuff, particularly 31900:24:09,926 --> 00:24:12,576health care related stuff, and, even if you don't know the 32000:24:12,616 --> 00:24:16,865details, but just give a kind word, handshake, hug, smile, 32100:24:17,666 --> 00:24:22,282whatever Because sometimes that itself can be therapeutic and 32200:24:22,323 --> 00:24:26,278can be very helpful. In conclusion, flu mist right now 32300:24:26,439 --> 00:24:30,227is the only nasal spray vaccine that's been approved by the FDA 32400:24:30,815 --> 00:24:37,307and it's only available for the regular flu. All vaccines for 32500:24:37,367 --> 00:24:40,903COVID presently are given with an intramuscular injection. 32600:24:41,414 --> 00:24:45,663However, many, many labs around the world are working feverishly32700:24:45,663 --> 00:24:48,228and most of them are in the second and third phases of 32800:24:48,627 --> 00:24:52,321development, so they should be getting close and not here to 32900:24:52,342 --> 00:24:57,019develop the nasal spray variety,which has many advantages that 33000:24:57,039 --> 00:25:04,487we've talked about earlier, and it is something that I expect to33100:25:04,487 --> 00:25:10,523be available either the latter part of 2023, or in early 2024. 33200:25:12,538 --> 00:25:15,526Speaker 1: This podcast episode is sponsored by Choctaw Medical 33300:25:15,546 --> 00:25:19,078Group Incorporated. Also sponsored by Bernie Brown 33400:25:19,199 --> 00:25:22,885Esquire, author of a Prosecutor's Analysis of 33500:25:22,986 --> 00:25:25,938Personal Supernatural Experiences. A collection of 33600:25:26,038 --> 00:25:30,298fascinating stories awaiting your verdict Fact, fiction, 33700:25:30,798 --> 00:25:35,047fabrication or fantasy, available in paperback and 33800:25:35,086 --> 00:25:40,926digital formats. Go to THWPcom to get your copy. 33900:25:41,556 --> 00:25:43,701Speaker 2: And finally, I alwayslike to end on my basic 34000:25:43,740 --> 00:25:47,759principles. I like to share thiswith you. I am a physician of 34100:25:47,818 --> 00:25:52,458faith. My first principle is Godis in charge, and it's because 34200:25:52,518 --> 00:25:56,365of my faith and belief in God inmy life that I have been able 34300:25:56,404 --> 00:25:59,838to do those things that I've been able to do, and have been 34400:25:59,939 --> 00:26:05,778able to receive help and supportfrom others also. Secondly, I 34500:26:05,818 --> 00:26:08,904don't have any bad days. Principle number two I learned 34600:26:08,924 --> 00:26:12,780about 20 years, 30 years ago, that the days were good and bad,34700:26:12,780 --> 00:26:16,018or bad whenever I said they were, and so I decided that I 34800:26:16,057 --> 00:26:18,904didn't need any more bad days. So my days are the good days are34900:26:18,904 --> 00:26:22,041great days. Principle number three don't sweat the small 35000:26:22,082 --> 00:26:25,818stuff, and most stuff is small. I have learned that whenever 35100:26:25,898 --> 00:26:30,146things happen that most of timesit's usually not nearly as bad 35200:26:30,186 --> 00:26:34,240as I think it is. So I'm workingon putting things more in 35300:26:34,299 --> 00:26:38,047perspective and letting that dictate what my thoughts and 35400:26:38,067 --> 00:26:41,939what my actions are. Number fourforgiveness is therapy, that 35500:26:41,979 --> 00:26:47,107whenever someone does or says something to me that I perceive 35600:26:47,587 --> 00:26:52,963as negative, I have learned to forgive instantly. It doesn't 35700:26:53,003 --> 00:26:56,958matter what the facts are, just forgive them. And finally, 35800:26:57,519 --> 00:27:02,548number four everything is a relationship. Relationships are 35900:27:02,567 --> 00:27:05,719based on three things Mutual respect, mutual trust, good 36000:27:05,759 --> 00:27:09,026communication. If you have thosethree things, you have a good 36100:27:09,066 --> 00:27:14,904relationship. If you do not, youhave work to do. If you like to36200:27:14,904 --> 00:27:18,896subscribe to these podcasts, I would encourage you to go to 36300:27:19,198 --> 00:27:27,188wwwbusfraudcom, to 1-0-1-0-0-3. 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Retired Assistant Los Angeles City Attorney and book author A Prosecutor's Analysis of Personal Supernatural Experiences

Biography of Bernie Brown

Bernie E. Brown was born in the southern town of Guthrie, Oklahoma. His family moved to Los Angeles, where Bernie grew up as a child. While attending junior high school, Bernie was recognized for his academic achievements and was placed in the College Capable Program. At a young age, Bernie became an entrepreneur, starting a car wash business at the local gas station and running an after school janitorial business while in high school.

Bernie began his college education at Los Angeles City College, where he acquired an Associate of Arts Degree in Speech. In 1972, at the Statewide Intercollegiate Speech Competition, Bernie finished in the top three speakers in the California State Persuasive Speaking Competition after delivering a stunning speech on nuclear disarmament, and he qualified for the National Intercollegiate Competition. Unfortunately, Bernie had to start full time employment to support his mom and sister, which prevented him from attending and competing in the National Speech Competition, but it did not stop his perseverance and thirst to become a lawyer. In 1973, he was accepted at the University of California at Los Angeles. He received a Bachelor of Arts Degree in Political Science from UCLA in just three years.

In 1976, Bernie was admitted to Hastings College of the Law. At Hastings, he served as Senior Class Student Body Representative. He also served as the Student Body Representative on the Hastings Faculty Standing Committee on Disadvantaged Students and the Hastings Faculty Standing Committee …Read More